Posted on 03/22/2020 8:40:57 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
The state-wide shutdowns have only been in place for a couple of weeks at most, but people are already starting to get understandably jumpy. Even if we assume that the governments, both state and federal, are handling this pandemic in the wisest way possible, when does it all end? When can we declare this emergency to be in our rearview mirror and have our lives return to some semblance of normality? This weekend, the Boston Globe put that question to some experts in epidemiology and the answers arent terribly comforting, at least in my opinion.
Thats one of the hardest questions to answer in epidemiology, and its one of the things that everybody is most interested in, said Samuel Scarpino, an epidemiologist at Northeastern University. Were going to have to be very cautious because we dont want to waste all the sacrifices that weve already made.
The first sign that the tide has started to turn, scientists say, will be a decline in new cases over several consecutive weeks, even as testing expands. In Boston, that peak is likely at least a few weeks away, Scarpino said. New coronavirus-related hospitalizations should fall a week or two after the number of new cases declines, in light of the time it takes for the disease to progress.
That would indicate that the economically devastating social distancing measures are working. Even then, it will be too soon to fully return to normal, specialists say. Just because there was a peak doesnt mean it was the peak.
So the rosiest scenario that these epidemiologists see is regional peaks that may may pass in a few weeks, taking us well into April already. Others are saying months. If the reported numbers of new cases start to drop, that means that the social distancing is working, but the relief may be temporary. There could be multiple peaks in the same regions.
In other words, even if you live in an area that has peaked and the restrictions are loosened, as soon as people get out and start going to work and doing other normal things, another peak may be on the way the following month. This could turn into a vicious cycle that doesnt end until a vaccine is widely developed or a reliable cure is found. And that could be well into 2021.
The whole question of whether or not this strategy is working is one thats been under very vocal debate here in New York. Even if the stay home orders flatten the curve and the spread seems to have stopped for a time, what then? Do we try to stop anyone from coming into the state until the vaccine is deployed? Even if that were possible (spoiler alert: its not), it only takes one superspreader with no visible symptoms to show up at a store, apartment complex or any crowded area and wed be right back where we are now. And all of the economic devastation thats currently raining down on us because weve shut the economy down would have been basically for nothing.
Sorry if Im coming across as something of a downer today, but the scope of this disaster has really started sinking in for me lately. If we take the best, realistic scenarios being painted by medical experts as gospel, we may keep the total number of deaths down in the tens or hundreds of thousands but wind up in a new great depression. I certainly hope thats wrong, but if this stretches on well into the summer, its tough to see how the economy just jumps straight back into gear.
Be safe out there and take care of each other as best you can.
After the election.
Bingo!
The original approach of stopping incoming flights from affected countries was the right approach. But other then that, it’s been a cluster *uck since. It was stupid to shut down the economy. You take the at risk group out of the equation and this thing is no where near as bad as the H1N1. They should have focused on protecting and isolating the at risk class. In the end, it would have been every bit as effective. And we would not have committed economical suicide. We will never get back what has been lost. The only thing a bailout package will do is spread out the pain among several generations. Meaning a short term stimulus at the cost of a permanent loss of productivity and quality of life. Then what happens with the next virus or what ever crises that comes along?
We cannot keep social distancing In putting these restrictions in place for Much longer, sure you may finally get a vaccine or cure the virus, however once you left all these restrictions there will be no Academy left to recover. Businesses cant just shut down for undetermined amount of time only be told to re-open and then a monthly to be told to shut down again until further notice. At some point you have to reopen the Economy, much sooner rather than later.
Back to work
on the waterfront. great clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYBAPVjJykY
“Normal” is going to look like a recession after this is over. I look for the stock market to hit 40,000.
Well yes when all you do is watch the knowing lying and the deliberate misleading stories in the Fake News instead of thinking for yourself and doing basic fact checking, it does “get into your head”.
It obviously has with the author of this nonsense.
Title is silly. Has it ever happened in the entire history of mankind that normal has not returned after a pandemic? Normal returned after the 1918 Spanish flu, after the Black Plague, after smallpox, etc. It always returns.
There is one major difference between today and the 1918 Spanish Flu, the Black Plague, smallpox, etc.
Financial Derivatives
Can they handle the volatility, or will a liquidity crunch cause an implosion of the capital markets?
If we can get through _that_, we should be fine.
I think things will start improving in about a week.
I believe the worldwide efforts to reduce transmission will start to work.
I believe doctors will start to have true improving treatments.
I believe our government will have actual good luck.
I believe companies will start to re-open.
I believe the stock markets will start to go up. RAPIDLY.
And finally, I believe, now people will BRING BACK AMERICAN production again.
Production of drugs. Production of masks.
Production is so many things.
This will all start, in about one week.
:)
Guess that means we're gonna have another "new" normal.
No kidding
Id say doomers are a majority of everyone whos not a deer camp member
I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows.
Yup. The biggest upside to this disaster will be a revolution to bring back: Made in America. People are getting g fed up with all the imported crap, and,especially now this virus, and lack of domestic medical products.. especially pharma.
Well put.
We need clearly defined metrics that can be used to force leviathan to act and remove the restrictions they've placed on allegedly free people. Unfortunately, this really doesn't seem to be something they are even thinking of. We are paying the price for it, because none of this affects these bureaucrat's bottom line. Perhaps we'd see movement if we forced them to forgo their salaries like the are forcing all the low-level folks and businesses to do. Until the folks in charge are actually feeling the pain, nothing is going to happen, because their pay isn't being affected.
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