Posted on 03/20/2020 6:30:23 PM PDT by WWII_Historian
In the science fiction novel The End of Eternity by Isaac Asimov, an amazing organization is described. “Eternity” is its name. The members of this organization are able to travel through time and change the course of human history in real-time. For the successful change of human history, the employees of this organization have to always choose a correct starting point.
This is a point that serves as the beginning of a particular chain of events. The protagonist of the novel was distinguished by an exceptional talent for finding such points. This in order to produce, according to Asimov’s terminology, the corresponding “Minimum Necessary Change” for a guaranteed change in Reality. With that explanation, we can ask a question.
What is the Starting Point of Obama’s Spygate?
What can serve as an analog of the “Minimum Necessary Change?” That which ultimately led to the Obama administration’s comprehensive surveillance of then-presidential candidate Donald Trump. Any objective researcher must admit that all these issues are confined to Carter Page. The very Carter Page who has never been arrested. Carter Page, to which no one has yet brought any charges (and never will). Though his name is still tainted with mud.
The main problem of the American Intelligence Services in 2016, was that they had to fulfill the task under practically impossible conditions. The fact that President Obama had repeatedly insisted that Intelligence Services must conduct spying on political foes. Keeping it strictly on legal grounds, of course. Apparently, Watergate’s lessons were not in vain.
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I totally reject such thinking. They are all guilty. They all should be barred from ever working in government, at any level, ever again.
The rank and file are the automatons, the type who if you have a political discussion with them, (which is actually a workplace mistake), it might come to light that they’re willing to sell their vote for $10 a month worth of Social Security benefits.
This happened to me once on a federal job. The guy involved was no exception, he was typical. They all loved Clinton.
very cogent summary of FISAgate (although there is a glaring date typo towards the end of the article).
11/22/63 and support President Kennedy with his efforts to get rid of the CIA, get out of the Federal Reserve System, and make nice with the Soviets. That was the point of time when the Deep State took over the government.
The Grassy Knoll,
Six Seconds.
“The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailors, constables, possee comitatus, etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs. Yet such as these even are commonly esteemed good citizens.
“Others—as most legislators, politicians, lawyers, ministers, and officeholders—serve the state chiefly with their heads; and, as they rarely make any moral distinctions, they are as likely to serve the Devil, without intending it, as God.
“A very few, as heroes, patriots, martyrs, reformers in the great sense, and men, serve the state with their consciences also, and so necessarily resist it for the most part; and they are commonly treated as enemies by it.”
From “Civil Disobedience” by Henry David Thoreau.
Amen. The supposedly innocent rank and file gave their approval by maintaining silence. It’s time we stopped this nonsense.
I have to note that they are not protesting and continue to quietly support the agency over country
The rank-and-file do their jobs without fanfare. It is the appointed administrators that ruin it for the rest.
I totally reject such thinking. They are all guilty. They all should be barred from ever working in government, at any level, ever again.
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Totally agree with you
Well heck, as one of the rank in file for 30 years I guess I am guilty. And all this time, I thought I made US intelligence better than it was when I had arrived.
The author wrote: Currently, the FISA court is of course, angry. According to a recent court decision, all FBI agents who were involved in falsifying applications to spy on Carter Page were completely removed from all future secret investigations. Will this deter future occurrences? One can but hope. The alternative is to disband the thing entirely, which some agree with.
The reality is - the FISA court is upset that their own complicity was exposed. Their ‘actions’ were the MINIMUM that they felt would allow them to escape serious examination. A REAL HONEST COURT - would haul the persons who falsified documents and signed these ‘warrants’ with claims of ‘verified’ - and would do far more strong rebukes - including referring them for disbarment. The other action that is downright embarrassing - for the court - is the court named a person to come up with recommendations to fix things in the future. The person named - is a ‘denier’ - who was on record saying ‘nothing to see, no problem here’ - long before he was appointed to whitewash the FISA court’s complicity.
No new policies need be created. Want to send a strong signal - keelhaul EVERY SINGLE FBI AGENT AND DOJ PERSON who participated in this scam...using EXISTING LAWS. Doing this would send a signal that the FISA court is FINALLY upset enough to enforce the law. Thus far - they seem to want to ‘give a pass’ to those who committed crimes.
Abolish the FISA courts. The foreign agents can’t do damage to our country to match what the FBI, DOJ and FISA court have done.
I grow weary of these Q fantasies that JFK would have saved the Republic if only his life had not been cut short - and that President Trump is picking up where JFK left off.
Ridiculous. Just look at Ted Kennedy’s political legacy if you want to know how his brothers would have turned out. The Democrat party is and always has been built around quid pro quo, influence peddling, pandering and wealth redistribution.
It is anti-liberty, anti-constitutional and therefore inherently dishonest. In order to win votes, they have to lie about their true agenda. Don’t let soaring rhetoric fool you - Democrats don’t mean what they say.
Respectfully, you are wrong. Ted and Robert were both spoiled rotten brats who could easily be swayed. Jack went against the flow of the military industrial complex several times. That takes guts.
If you say so
I agree. I sure hope there aren't many agents like case agent 1 mentioned in the Horowitz FISA report. Out of all the people that touched the 4 FISA applications, there were only two people that asked questions. The first was a lawyer in the national security division at DOJ during the first application and a SSA agent during the last renewal. This was not the same SSA agent that signed off on the first one.
The criminality of the CIA goes far before and beyond their puppet Obama.
No, no they all resigned in disgust because they didn't indict Hillary. I know it happened because I read right here that they would resign if Hillary wasn't indicted. But no worry because Barr is going to get her after Huber gets through indicting her.
Now if only he could find a law that the Sanctuary cities/states are breaking he would get them good.
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