Posted on 03/18/2020 6:23:29 AM PDT by Enlightened1
Rome, 13 Mar 19:12 - (Agenzia Nova) - There may be only two people who died from coronavirus in Italy, who did not present other pathologies. This is what emerges from the medical records examined so far by the Higher Institute of Health, according to what was reported by the President of the Institute, Silvio Brusaferro, during the press conference held today at the Civil Protection in Rome. "Positive deceased patients have an average of over 80 years - 80.3 to be exact - and are essentially predominantly male," said Brusaferro. "Women are 25.8 percent. The average age of the deceased is significantly higher than the other positive ones. The age groups over 70, with a peak between 80 and 89 years. The majority of these people are carriers of chronic diseases. Only two people were not presently carriers of diseases ", but even in these two cases, the examination of the files is not concluded and therefore, causes of death different from Covid-19 could emerge. The president of the ISS has specified that "little more than a hundred medical records" have so far come from hospitals throughout Italy.
These are the first minimum detailed data provided so far by the Civil Protection on the causes of death of coronavirus patients. At present, in fact, the authorities are unable to distinguish those who died from the virus, from those who, on the other hand, are communicated daily to the public, but who were mostly carriers of other serious diseases and who, therefore, would not have died from Covid-19. In response to a question from "Agenzia Nova", in fact, Brusaferro was unable to indicate the exact number of coronavirus deaths. However, the professor clarified that, according to the data analyzed, the great majority of the victims "had pathologies
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What my tag has been saying for a while now . . .
Sure sounds like it, ehh ?
This is like “alcohol related traffic accidents”. If a dog walking nearby belonges to a recovered alcoholics first cousin, the accident is alcohol related.
Coronavirus: ISS, In Italy There Are Only Two Deaths Ascertained So Far Due To Covid-19
Hide your pets because the media will be kicking a lot of them today and be drinking early so be careful.
That’s the real takeaway. The idea that someone with co-morbidities did not actually die of Covid-19 and should not be considered part of the death count is silly. And it is not clear from the text of the article how many medical records were reviewed to indicate that only two have died without any co-morbidities.
But if only a statistically insignificant number of deaths are people without specific pre-existing conditions, that gives us a pretty good means of defining who needs to be protected while we allow the vast majority to go on with life.
I am afraid this question will not work with the irony-deficient.
No, I’m not confused. I’m simply not into the esoterics of semantics. The people with AIDS die of things they wouldn’t die of for the most part if they didn’t have AIDS. Whether we call it a syndrome, condition, or disease, the end result is the same. AIDS is at the root of the matter.
The keyboardist for the Dave Clark Five, Mike Smith, died of pneumonia. Why did he get pneumonia? Because he fell off a ladder, broke his neck and became a severe quadriplegic. So yes he died of pneumonia. A difference that makes no difference.
Which is why our difference of opinion is no difference at all to the dead person
This post needs to be sent to Trump do he can recover his backbone over this pseudo-plague.
China is going back to work.
Hong Kong only had about 100 cases and they are going back to work.
Meanwhile, we are shutting down and the Zombies are hoarding TP.
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The Chinese strategy — Impose just enough suffering on their people to convince the fearful and the virtue signalers that something is being done. Then blame the USA, declare victory, and get on with their lives.
Meaningless noise.
For years the medical profession (Cancer society in particular) has been doing tricks with the numbers. Deaths of anyone who ever saw a cigarette has been listed as smoking related.
On the other hand, if you want to downplay the numbers, anyone with a hangnail had “other health conditions”.
For someone hung up on the acrostic for AIDS, you’re pretty sloppy with “WuFlu”, which is not an influenza at all.
Take it for what it is worth. I am sure that there will be millions more of these studies. The grant money will roll in for decades. Especially if you attach “climate change” to the narrative.
People can live and recover from leukemia.. Coronavirus took that hope away and killed him. The leukemia robbed him of the fortitude to fight the virus.
Obviously I don't have that info. But it has infected health care workers: "SARS-CoV-2, like other emerging high-threat pathogens, has infected health-care workers in China and several other countries." From https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30673-5/fulltext
Influenza, commonly known as the flu, is a contagious respiratory illness caused by viruses that infect the nose, throat, and lungs. It can range from mild to severe. When ill with the flu, people often feel some (or even all) of these flu symptoms: ... Runny or stuffy nose.
https://vicks.com › en-us › treatments
Sounds like WuFlu to me.
I always rely on Vicks.com for scientific evidence.
That's incredibly unlikely. Goes against the experience elsewhere especially among medical workers who were mostly healthy.
I knew that some health care workers had gotten sick. Maybe I missed it on my quick read through but I didn't see anything in your link to indicate that a single one of them came down with a case any more severe than needing to stay home from work for a few days while they recovered. Have ANY of the healthcare workers died?
You had made the claim that "The main reason is that there is significant mortality among healthy people (much higher than flu)." I haven't seen any evidence of mortality in previously healthy people being AT ALL significant, let alone MUCH HIGHER.
You are completely wrong about that. The mortality for COVID-19 is 0.5% for ages 15-44: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-17453/v1 For flu the mortality for ages 18-49 is 0.02% https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm That's 25 times higher. But based on overall mortality in all ages with our better hospitals it will probably end up around 10 times higher.
The definition of “flu” is not scientific.
I've seen that some people never even show symptoms. They're tested because they were in contact with someone who DID show symptoms, like the people coming off the cruise ships. To start with they were trying to identify the cases as if it was something as deadly as ebola. So even the 1/2 of 1% is undoubtedly overstating the case of lethality. Including the people who don't ever show symptoms into the denominator will bring the mortality down below the 1 in 200 rate. How far down we don't know. 1 in 500? 1 in 1,000? 1 in 10,000? Who knows? If you isolate not only the aged, but also those who are health-compromised, you'd probably cover almost all of those who might die from the disease.
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