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86% of people with coronavirus are walking around undetected, study says
nypost ^ | 03/17/2020 | Jackie Salo

Posted on 03/17/2020 10:02:47 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

“Stealth” coronavirus cases are fueling the pandemic, with a staggering 86% of people infected walking around undetected, a new study says.

Six of every seven cases – 86% — were not reported in China before travel restrictions were implemented, driving the spread of the virus, according to a study Monday in the journal Science.

“It’s the undocumented infections which are driving the spread of the outbreak,” said co-author Jeffrey Shaman of Columbia University Mailman School, according to GeekWire.

Using computer modeling, researchers tracked infections before and after the Chinese city of Wuhan’s travel ban.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bioweapon; chinavirus; chinavirusinfo; contagious; coronavirus; covid19; study; undetected; usatestingfail; walking
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To: Norseman

Hey! A math guy! How do I look at post #70? Do I have it right?


81 posted on 03/17/2020 11:26:18 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“It’s probably a fair assumption that more than half of us are walking around with all viruses in circulation at the moment.”

Is that like saying most everyone has cancer cells in their bodies..?


82 posted on 03/17/2020 11:26:45 AM PDT by Leep (Everyday is Trump Day!)
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To: Roccus

You live on a large piece of property or farm, right?


83 posted on 03/17/2020 11:32:19 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

In an effort to figure out what the Ro of the virus itself is you have to look at a large number of cases before mitigation efforts begin. The only numbers on that were from China a couple weeks ago and it looked to be about 4 days there. So that is the “number” we are trying to push down. It appears to be working for the most part. But a doubling rate of four days was the highest I have heard of. This guy is assuming 3 days. That’s way too much.


84 posted on 03/17/2020 11:35:26 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: frogjerk
Actually it makes it much less deadly and harmful than the seasonal flu

Much less deadly than peanut allergies.

85 posted on 03/17/2020 11:36:39 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They are openly stating that they intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live.)
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To: Moonlighter

Yeppers!


86 posted on 03/17/2020 11:42:52 AM PDT by MarineMom613 (RIP Sandra Sue, my fur baby 12/31/1999 /2010 - See you on the other side!)
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To: HollyB

I got mine from return basket. Store is short of everything!


87 posted on 03/17/2020 11:44:05 AM PDT by MarineMom613 (RIP Sandra Sue, my fur baby 12/31/1999 /2010 - See you on the other side!)
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To: Leep
Does that mean, by their estimates, that approximately 1 in 10 million? people may be walking around with the coronavirus?

Hold on...lemme crank up the ole input/output machinerator here:

If we go by the 4200 number of confirmed cases that I saw on this thread earlier, and we assume (big assumption) that my math in post #70 is correct, then I come out with 30,000 true cases walking around.

If US population is 372,200,000 like the googlers are tellin me. I come up with:

30,000 / 372,200,000 or .00806% of the population. That would give me 1 in about 12,400 (372,200,000 / 30,000) which is pretty concerning if that's right. no?

Maybe I screwed that up?
88 posted on 03/17/2020 11:47:16 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: wastoute
My daughter’s friend’s mother flew back from India to Miami last week

There are at least 15 diseases worse than coronavirus circulating in India at any moment in time.


89 posted on 03/17/2020 11:48:19 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Leep
“It’s probably a fair assumption that more than half of us are walking around with all viruses in circulation at the moment.” Is that like saying most everyone has cancer cells in their bodies..?

uh....no, viruses are all around us all of the time. In the air and on surfaces. We are constantly being exposed.


90 posted on 03/17/2020 11:50:05 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

How many were airborne at the Miami airport at the international terminal? The pictures look pretty busy.


91 posted on 03/17/2020 11:51:47 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

In at least some states, no one is being lab tested but medical people, politicians and others with special circum$tance$. Most of the serious cases are diagnosed according to symptoms, scans, etc.


92 posted on 03/17/2020 12:00:10 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: ChicagoConservative27

In at least some states, no one is being lab tested but medical people, politicians and others with special circum$tance$. Most of the serious cases are diagnosed according to symptoms, scans, etc.

BTW, that’s why we’re seeing so many negatives in statistics.


93 posted on 03/17/2020 12:00:40 PM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: MarineMom613
I can get psychosomatic so, this is freaking me out because I have some seasonal allergies where I get throat irritation and a little dry cough, as long as I have no fever I am fine but, will probably panic a bit.
I have been social distancing for 2 weeks.
Except my wife and dog, which adds to the anxiety. Jesus had things to say about anxiety. Freepers will help me out.
94 posted on 03/17/2020 12:02:44 PM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.)
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To: right way right

Get an hour a day outdoors.
That’s my prescription for physical and mental health.
Be well.


95 posted on 03/17/2020 12:03:45 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: right way right

Pray Psalm 91 once in the morning and once at night.
A lot of us are doing that.


96 posted on 03/17/2020 12:10:42 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

If 86% of all cases are undetected, that means these 86% are not having symptoms, or so mild they don’t notice or care.

If we assume that this ratio exists over the entire population, then the whole situation changes.

United States, about 300 million people. IF 50% are exposed, under current thought, we have 150 million infected people, and 2%, or 3 million might die.

But if 86% of us are effectively immune, than if we tried to infect 50% of the country:

300 million * .32 = 96 million. 50% = 48 million. 2% die == 960,000.

And if in fact the immune population percentage is more like 90%, the entire “pandemic” turns out to be overblown. Sure, a ton of poeple got sick, because 10% of every population is still a lot, but the whole things peters out a lot quicker than we thought, because it’s like 90% of us already had the thing.

We have done NO studies on what the “infection rate” is for the virus at various viral loads.

Imagine trying to run that controlled study, get 1000 volunteers to just be subjected to various loads of the virus, hold them 14 days, and see how many get positives.

But look at the numbers on the cruise ship, captive audience, no control of spread, little treatment. 710 tested positive out of 3800 (18%). Of the 710, only 300 had symptoms. We credit “isolation”, but what if the 18% was because only 36% were even susceptible to it, and 50% of them caught it?


97 posted on 03/17/2020 12:13:03 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Buckeye McFrog

That’s a hell of a good idea.
I’m series.


98 posted on 03/17/2020 12:25:30 PM PDT by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our only true hope.)
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To: mmichaels1970
Then we could roughly multiply 3.4% by 14% and get a death rate of .476% right?

Correct. But, that would the number for China not necessarily for the US.

A communist health care system and respiratory problems caused by air pollution may make the Chinese more vulnerable than Americans.

99 posted on 03/17/2020 12:26:17 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: mmichaels1970

No, you are right. 12,400 x 30,000 =372 million ( i used 325 million).

Does that mean if you lived in a town of 12,400 people the odds are, at least, one person MIGHT have the virus?
How big would the population have to be that one person MIGHT die of coronavirus?
12,400 x97? (@3% death rate) = 1,202,800.
So, in a town of 1.2 million one person MIGHT die?


100 posted on 03/17/2020 12:31:43 PM PDT by Leep (Everyday is Trump Day!)
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