Coronavirus ‘Patient Zero’ May Have Started Pandemic In November or Earlier

CNN ^ | March 16, 2020 | Simon Chandler

[securityman]

40 employees at that nursing are sick with covid

[deadrock]

Why aren’t we all dead then?

[Moonlighter]

Test to verify (and get well soon)!

[Ymani Cricket]

This info was also put out on Live Science

about 3 days ago. And I first found the story in the Jerusalem Post, I believe two days ago, and posted a link in another thread but did not post it as an article.

I was a bit surprised to see CNN pick it up as you posted. Perhaps they think they can use it to continue hysteria. I don't know. It is potentially countrer productive to that end though. The WHO (not the band) says it came to their attention on Dec 31, 2019.

[trebb]

Yep: Over 40,000 fatal car accidents per year in the U.S. Each day, more than 90 Americans die in car accidents. On average, 2 million drivers experience a permanent injury every year. Yet we don't hear cries to close public highways or have folks stocking up on tires/oil gas "just in case" “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” ― William Pitt the Younger “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” Ben Franklin

[norwaypinesavage]

"The sequence has gone… 1,2,3,5,9,14,21,35,54. Wonder what it will be tomorrow."

Remember, what you are seeing is reports of TEST RESULTS, not reports of actual cases. For the next couple of weeks there will be an explosion of test results, as millions of test kits reach the public. It is only after testing becomes common that we will see actual incidence data.

[lepton]

As widespread as the reports of the respiratory flu this season were, there would have been millions of cases where it would probably require less than a thousand or so to notice the pattern - especially in localized outbreaks where the same group of doctors would see them.

Here’s just one example study. There are others which show how obvious the presentation is in CT-scans. At worst, you’d have had a flag sent up for a mistaken SARS or MERS outbreak, which would have started other dedicated testing.

https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2020200241

“A study of CT scans of 21 patients with 2019-nCoV infection (10) showed three (21%) with normal CT scans, 12 (57%) with ground-glass opacity only, and six (29%) with ground-glass opacity and consolidation at presentation. Fifteen patients (71%) had two or more lobes involved, and 16 (76%) had bilateral disease. Interestingly, three patients (14%) had normal scans at diagnosis. One of those patients still had a normal scan at short-term follow-up. Seven other patients underwent follow-up CT (range, 1–4 days; mean, 2.5 days); five (63%) had mild progression, and two (25%) had moderate progression.”

“Overall, the imaging findings reported for 2019-nCoV are similar to those reported for SARS-CoV (11–13) and MERS-CoV (14,15), not surprising as the responsible viruses are also coronaviruses. Given that up to 30% of patients with 2019-nCoV infection develop acute respiratory distress syndrome (8), chest imaging studies showing extensive consolidation and ground-glass opacity, typical of acute lung injury, are not unexpected (16,17). The long-term imaging features of 2019-nCoV are not yet known but presumably will resemble those of other causes of acute lung injury.”

It’s not recommended as a first-line test, because it is only 80-85% indicative in the 30% of cases that present with severe breathing issues...but that is more than enough to detect large numbers of the infection.

[riri]

This is a good post. I thought about it a bit before responding. (rare for me, haha)

I agree. Something aint quite right here.

I have read theories pertaining to what you've posted.

Again, I always go back to the youth who seem pretty unbothered by this. Could be they aren't bothered with it, could be something else entirely.

I was thinking this morning about HIV and some of ideas about it. If IIRC ,when you test postive for HIV, you only test positive for the antibodies and it takes something like 4-6 months for those antibodies to show up. I don't know if they've gotten different methods since I read that some years ago but that was the way it was done, say, 15 years ago.

There have always been people who theorized that AIDS/HIV was a syndrome and it took exposures to toxins in the environment to escalate it into full blown AIDS.

[DoughtyOne]

I think you’re on the right track there.

Here:

64,792 - Deaths of mothers during birth (just so far) this year

Time to quarantine all the male impregnators of women right now!

[DoughtyOne]

Testing 1, 2, 3...

Is this thing on...

[trebb]

Gonna be a lot of "feminists" rallying round your flag polebanner...seems like a LOT of deaths are perfectly fine but when a new bugbear comes along, everyone forgets/ignores how many de "prematurely" every day.

At any rate - the stores are looking like we're N. Korea or Venezuela.

Stay well my FRiend.

[DoughtyOne]

You stay well to Trebb.