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Coronavirus ‘Patient Zero’ May Have Started Pandemic In November or Earlier
CNN ^ | March 16, 2020 | Simon Chandler

Posted on 03/16/2020 1:25:34 PM PDT by McGruff

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To: PGR88

I wonder if we will find out Covid-19 or close versions of it have been around for many months?


If the anti-body testing gets working soon, before a lot of people actually catch COVID.


61 posted on 03/16/2020 3:40:13 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: mmichaels1970

We have people like our Ohio health director mathematically extrapolating (whether we’d choose to agree or not) that we could have 100k people walking around infected right now.


That was positively stupid based upon the knowledge she said she had. It’s like she has never learned the meaning of “population” in either a medical or a statistical sense.


62 posted on 03/16/2020 3:42:20 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: McGruff

People’s Repubric of China find Patient Zero. He not available for talking. So Soddy.


63 posted on 03/16/2020 3:43:25 PM PDT by libertylover (Socialism will always look good to those who think they can get something for nothing.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

I was put on a z-pack and another antibiotic when that didn’t work.


A z-pack is useless against a virus.

A z-pack is useful against a bacterial infection, either the cause of the disease or of bacterial infection of the pneumonia that follows.


64 posted on 03/16/2020 3:45:17 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Whiskey!

And honey -


65 posted on 03/16/2020 3:48:46 PM PDT by silverleaf (Remember kids: You can vote your way into communism, but you have to shoot your way out!)
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To: lepton

How about all the young Chinese students at Universities in the US? A lot of them went home during Christmas break and could have carried it back to the states when they returned for school. Young people may not have noticed that they were that sick and then in college towns there are alot of other young people who may have just blown it off as a bad cold and continued to go about their business.


66 posted on 03/16/2020 4:12:27 PM PDT by happyhomemaker (Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Rom 12:12)
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To: happyhomemaker

This has been in our country for some time and people just thought it was the flu this hysteria is completely unwarranted!!!


67 posted on 03/16/2020 4:15:06 PM PDT by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: McGruff

NOT FROM CNN.


68 posted on 03/16/2020 4:20:39 PM PDT by Treeless Branch
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To: mmichaels1970

I had the worst upper respiratory flu/illness I’ve ever had in November. I could not kick my cough and wheeze for about 2 months. I bet I have already had it as well.


69 posted on 03/16/2020 4:37:48 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Treeless Branch

That is true CNN basically cut and pasted this article. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074991/coronavirus-chinas-first-confirmed-covid-19-case-traced-back If I had seen that before I posted this I would have posted that article instead.


70 posted on 03/16/2020 4:43:37 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: mmichaels1970
I keep reading a lot of similar stories and I think you are right it was probably the flu.

The way this thing spreads, I think we would know if it had been here earlier.

The flu was/is supposed to be very bad this year.

71 posted on 03/16/2020 4:43:52 PM PDT by riri
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To: libertylover

Im starting love these threads as they are damn funny...


72 posted on 03/16/2020 4:44:44 PM PDT by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: 9YearLurker

That actually made sense to you?


73 posted on 03/16/2020 4:50:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I will admit one thing. COVID-19 affects weak minds much worse than any virus to date.)
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To: jacquej

everybody who has a slight cough will demand to be checked....the cases are bound to go up.....the virus is out there but its not going to make most people sick....most people would ignore it IF IT WEREN’T FOR THE PANIC DRIVING MEDIA....


74 posted on 03/16/2020 4:52:46 PM PDT by cherry
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To: lepton
most people do not go to the doctor for flu like symptoms or colds.....there is absolutely no way to gauge how many people had the regular flu or the covig virus..

it could very well been making the rounds earlier then we think, which is A GOOD THING....

75 posted on 03/16/2020 4:59:44 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Born Freep

My husband had pneumonia in the last week of December. It nearly killed him. He is still on oxygen. He was treated in the CCU at Evergreen Health Kirkland...same hospital where the first Wuhan coronavirus killed the first patient in Washington. He had seen a doctor in Swedish Hospital in Seattle a week before. This doctor had a visiting doctor from China in the exam room. Hubbys pulmonary specialist says he still can’t figure out why his pneumonia was so bad or what caused it. Took fluid
out of his lungs (no anesthetics just eight people holding him down.) Cultured with no answer.


76 posted on 03/16/2020 5:00:46 PM PDT by Born Freep
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To: riri
I posted this on a previous thread:

I came in contact with a young(ish) Korean/Taiwanese couple in mid-January. It was over a 2 hour dinner at a posh West LA restaurant, and we three shared a communal serving plate (among 21). I've had nagging lung congestion in the AM now for maybe 4 weeks this winter. Never felt sick, never stopped me from my normally physically active (sports) lifestyle. But now that people are beginning to raise questions about the timeline, I'm wondering if I've actually been a walking case.

I've contacted the restaurant to see if they can find/ask the couple whether (a) they visited family in Asia during the holidays; or (b) if any of their relatives visited here; and (c) if anyone has become/was ill with CV.

It would be sort of awesome if I've already had it, both from a personal stand-point, and of course for public health modeling purposes. However, once again the contra case is I've just been sickly (unusual), which would suggest I'm in for a world of hurt if this thing is just building.

77 posted on 03/16/2020 5:07:40 PM PDT by semantic
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To: DoughtyOne

Yep. You’re only here and posting on these threads so as to register your disapproval. Sure. That’s it. Uh-huh.


78 posted on 03/16/2020 5:09:49 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

I your mind that make sense, but outside your mind it’s rather disconcerting to know someone thinks it does


79 posted on 03/16/2020 5:16:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I will admit one thing. COVID-19 affects weak minds much worse than any virus to date.)
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To: riri
The way this thing spreads, I think we would know if it had been here earlier.

How does it spread? Do you know for a fact it’s spreading? Is it not possible that many already carry the virus but some other factor is triggering the symptoms? It is certainly not spreading like a normal contagious pathogen spreads but in isolated pockets.

The cases in WA at the nursing home happened weeks ago. Yet we are now seeing just one ER doctor from the affiliated local hospital affected. If it is so very contagious why no cases among the health care workers at the nursing home or other point of care personnel at the local hospital.

Other confounding factors must be investigated before assuming it is “spreading” rather than being activated.

80 posted on 03/16/2020 5:33:29 PM PDT by Shethink13 (there are 0 electoral votes in the state of denial)
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