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Elderly Will Be Denied Intensive Care as Coronavirus Overwhelms Italy's National Health System, Experts Warn
PJ Media ^ | 12 March 2020 | Paula Bolyard

Posted on 03/12/2020 1:17:57 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi

Health officials in Italy have issued guidelines for rationing care as hospitals there struggle to keep up with the surge of patients infected with the coronavirus.

Doctors are being told that they'll likely need to deny care to senior citizens and those with other health conditions as the virus explodes across the nation. Italy has been rocked by the still not-well-understood COVID-29, with more than 1,200 confirmed cases and 827 deaths—second only to China—and 16 million residents currently under quarantine.

An article published by the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (translated here by Yascha Mounk) warns that "It may be necessary to establish criteria of access to intensive care not just on the basis of clinical appropriateness but inspired by the most consensual criteria regarding distributive justice and the appropriate allocation of limited health resources." The report goes on to recommend rationing care to certain populations.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: coronavirus; italy; singlepayer
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To: Covenantor

Oh, yes, I know it’s in pretty much every ER, but it’s the most obvious in inner-city ones, especially on a Saturday night.


41 posted on 03/12/2020 1:59:37 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Covenantor

As a motorcycle rider, I’ve been a sadly more regular visitor to ERs than I really should have been. Usually my injuries are in the not immediately life threatening category, so I get to sit around and watch a lot.


42 posted on 03/12/2020 2:01:28 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Robert A Cook PE

Leeme get this straight, in battle, a shrapnel wound to a foot would be treated before a sucking chest wound?

Really?


43 posted on 03/12/2020 2:05:16 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Too bad the NGOs wasted all those resources acting as a shuttle service for illegal immigrants.


44 posted on 03/12/2020 2:05:43 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: VAFreedom

“but i think in battle they always treat the sickest first right?”

Not if there is little chance of saving them and wasting their time trying would jeopardize other people who can be saved.


45 posted on 03/12/2020 2:05:50 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: carriage_hill

Or maybe you just missed a rapid series of 10 mutations.


46 posted on 03/12/2020 2:06:41 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Erik Latranyi

Does Italy practice private care, socialized medicine, or a combination?


47 posted on 03/12/2020 2:06:55 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: DEPcom
Not surprising at all. Medical resources are always finite. They become inadequate in situations of catastrophe, whether war, natural disaster, or overwhelming pandemic.

Triage is the only ethical way to administer assistance so as to avoid futile effort, waste and duplication, and save as many lives as possible.

48 posted on 03/12/2020 2:07:59 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (For the fact-based community.)
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To: JoSixChip

“This is just more garbage.”

Yes, I’m sure that JoSixChip, random anonymous internet persona, is more well informed as to the goings on in Italy than actual doctors on the front lines there.


49 posted on 03/12/2020 2:08:04 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Spktyr

The amount of cops hanging around the ER is a good indicator of the neighborhood demographics...


50 posted on 03/12/2020 2:08:43 PM PDT by Covenantor (We are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern. " Chesterton)
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To: Theoria

Will they give ‘young migrants’ the ICU beds they deny the old native Italians?


51 posted on 03/12/2020 2:12:08 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Erik Latranyi

WTF is “distributive justice?”

Every time I see a new adjective in front of the word justice, I get an uncomfortable feeling it excludes me in favor of somebody “special.”


52 posted on 03/12/2020 2:14:05 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: the OlLine Rebel

“Maybe if they stopped treating every COVID like it was death itself, the elderly wouldn’t need to be squeezed out.”

I think the issue here is, even though younger and healthier people will likely recover from the virus, they still require medical treatment in order to recover. The elderly, even with medical treatment, may not recover.

So if you don’t have enough hospital beds to treat both groups, you are going to treat the group that has the better chance of recovering.


53 posted on 03/12/2020 2:15:57 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: RasterMaster

Don’t forget Barry’s sidekick, Ezekiel Emmanuel.


54 posted on 03/12/2020 2:17:10 PM PDT by Polyxene (Out of the depths I have cried to Thee, O Lord; Lord, hear my voice.)
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To: VAFreedom
Not the sickest, no. They do a spot calculation to swiftly divide those needing treatment into three groups:

First group- -lightly wounded, those who will likely survive without immediate care

Second group, mortally wounded, -those who will likely die even with immediate care, and

Third group, gravely injured but treatable - those who are save-able, but whose life or death depends on quick intensive treatment.

Groups 1 and 2 are made comfortable as possible, and set aside.

It's group 3 that will get the lion's share of the treatment.

The other two aren't totally medically abandoned, but they're not prioritized for treatment until all the group 3 people are stabilized.

55 posted on 03/12/2020 2:17:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (For the fact-based community.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Old mobsters hit hardest.


56 posted on 03/12/2020 2:18:43 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Covenantor

I’ve been to ones where it might as well have been a police substation, and some where there weren’t may police or security. Doesn’t always mean that they’re overcrowded either way. Some of the nicest-area ERs I’ve seen have had some of the most brutal triage because they weren’t designed for the amount of casualties they happened to receive.


57 posted on 03/12/2020 2:19:27 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Boogieman; Osage Orange

Google COVID-29; nothing there, just 29 deaths in Wash state.
It’s still COVID-19 everywhere else except PJMedia.
Beats me.

https://www.kxly.com/state-health-department-confirms-366-positive-cases-of-covid-19-29-deaths/


58 posted on 03/12/2020 2:19:34 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Let the death panels begin!


59 posted on 03/12/2020 2:39:18 PM PDT by jimmygrace
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To: Erik Latranyi
Doctors are being told that they'll likely need to deny care to senior citizens and those with other health conditions as the virus explodes across the nation

I didn't know Italy had ObamaCommieCare.
60 posted on 03/12/2020 2:43:56 PM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("There is but one straight course, ad that is to seek truth and pursue it steadily." -GW)
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