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DOJ watchdog faults FBI investigations into 'homegrown violent extremists'
abcnews.go.com ^ | 3/4/2020 | alexander millen

Posted on 03/05/2020 9:16:46 AM PST by bitt

Six terrorists who carried out attacks were on the FBI's radar previously.

The Justice Department's internal government watchdog released a report Wednesday identifying what it described as significant issues with how the FBI handled investigations of extremists based in the U.S. who either sought or successfully carried out attacks against Americans.

The report from DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz scrutinized how agents investigated so-called 'homegrown violent extremists,' or HVE, and found several instances where individuals who went on to carry out attacks had been previously identified by the FBI but had their cases closed with no further action.

"Since September 11, 2001, HVEs have carried out over 20 attacks in the United States, some of which occurred after the FBI closed a counterterrorism investigation or assessment on the individual," the report said.

The investigation found "at least six attacks committed in the United States by individuals who the FBI had previously assessed or investigated," between 2009 and 2017. Some of the more high profile instances singled out by the inspector general included the 2009 attack on Ft. Hood in Texas, the Boston Marathon bombing in 2013 and the Orlando Pulse Nightclub attack in 2016.

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1 posted on 03/05/2020 9:16:46 AM PST by bitt
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https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2020/a20030.pdf#page=2

Audit of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation’s Efforts to Identify
Homegrown Violent Extremists
through Counterterrorism Assessments


2 posted on 03/05/2020 9:18:09 AM PST by bitt ("Make yourself sheep and the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin)
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You only pursue the cases that get you a quick score, media attention, bonuses, medals, etc.


3 posted on 03/05/2020 9:23:25 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: bitt

The order to drop these cases came directly from Obama/Jarrett to hide the fact they were recruiting the Muslim Brotherhood into their administration

(And Phil Haney didn’t kill himself)


4 posted on 03/05/2020 9:28:53 AM PST by digger48
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"You only pursue the cases that get you a quick score, media attention, bonuses, medals, etc.

White Males.

5 posted on 03/05/2020 9:30:12 AM PST by blam
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To: bitt

Why is it so difficult for the DOJ to discipline itself? It should be simple. Remember “Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda Cool!” ?


6 posted on 03/05/2020 9:35:49 AM PST by motor_racer (If you don't read the news, you are uninformed. If you read the news, you are misinformed.)
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To: bitt

They only investigate old white guy Tea Party types.


7 posted on 03/05/2020 9:39:00 AM PST by deweyfrank (Nobody's Perfect)
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What is the percentage of high profile terrorism cases where the FBI did NOT have prior warnings about the perps or have them under some form of observation? Of those, how many were known to local or state law enforcement before the fact?

The FBI is a legalistic paperwork machine designed to provide evidence for prosecution after a crime has occurred. Actually stopping terrorists before they strike requires risky speed and decisiveness, rather than a three year paper shuffle.


8 posted on 03/05/2020 9:42:39 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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The same Obama FBI that interviewed Muslim Tamerlan Tsarnaev - one of the Boston marathon bombers.
After RUSSIANS told the US he was a Jihadi , the Obama FBI let him go.
A "do not prosecute Muslims" order from then-president Obama superceded saving American lives.

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NTL REVIEW/BY VICTOR DAVID HANSON----The Tsarnaev brothers offer us a teachable moment about what have become near-suicidal US immigration policies not being enforced---that are on the books:

(1) that foreign nationals must at least avoid crime,

(2) stay off public assistance,

(3) that the US is disinclined to grant "asylum" (triggers endless SS checks) to “fearful refugees” from war-torn Islamic regions,

(4) that force taxpayers to foot the bill for these types to go back and forth between America and their supposedly "hostile Muslim homelands" on the taxpayers' dime.

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BACKSTORY Within hours of the Boston Marathon killings, US government officials, and Muslims, in Boston called each other to offer assistance......just in case THE MUZZIES suffered backlash or threats.

REFERENCE Federal outreach to Muslim American communities is a pillar of Obama counter-terrorism strategy
Washington post | 5/25/2013 | ap / FR Posted by tobyhill

Within hours of the Boston Marathon blasts, government officials and Muslims in Boston called each other to offer assistance. These calls were the fruits of years of cultivating such relationships in an effort to ultimately prevent the very type of attack Boston experienced April 15....

Representatives from the US Departments of Justice and Homeland Security called to offer support to Muslim communities......just in case THEY suffered backlash or threats. (more on FR)

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Bereaved, besieged Boston bombing survivors were outraged that Tsarnaev Muslim family's trip to the US for the trial was paid for with their tax dollars b/c the US govt mandates that struggling taxpayers foot the bill for these people to go back and forth between America and their "supposedly" hostile homelands on the taxpayers' dime.

Taxpayers footed the bills for the entire buck-sucking Tsarnaev's for a long, l-o-n-g time. When these immigrants get to the US they claim "asylum" b/c that triggers endless monthly Social Security checks ......that's just for starters.

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BACKSTORY Immediately after the Boston bombing, then-Democrat Mass Gov Deval Patrick ordered Massachusetts govt agencies to conceal welfare documents from taxpayers. But sources who saw 500 pages of welfare documents (requested by a state legislator) told News Center 5 that the entire Chechnyan immigrant Muslim Tsarnaev family collected upwards of $100,00 tax dollars free and clear. MA taxpayers financed the killing and maiming of their own friends and neighbors.

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MASSACHUSETTS TAXPAYERS WERE UNKNOWINGLY FORCED TO FINANCE THE MUSLIM TSARNEV BROTHERS' DIRTY DEEDS BIGTIME ---After the Boston bombing, Massachusetts Democrat Gov Deval Patrick refused to divulge info WRT massive public assistance to the bomber killers/Chechen immigrants.

But state welfare officials were forced to come clean b/c the info is available to lawmakers. State Rep David Linsky called on the Mass Dept of Transitional Assistance to provide the info..... issuing an ultimatum, giving them 24 hours to provide the info.

The Boston Herald published the state's response: 'My office is working to fully comply with your request,' DTA interim commissioner Stacey Monahan wrote, saying they were only providing a summary 'given the great interest in this matter.'

Chechen immigrants--the bombers' Muslim parents----were eligible as legal, non-citizen residents who claimed "asylum" status and met the eligibility criteria for DTA, DTA interim commissioner Stacey Monahan said in a letter to David Linsky, Chairman of the Mass House Post Audit and Oversight Committee.

Multiple state agencies, on orders from Democrat Gov Patrick, refused to comment on the bomber brothers' welfare haul.

<><> WRT Muslim Tamerlan receiving UI benefits, Labor dept spokesman Kevin Franck refused to comment....

<><> Univ of Mass-- Dartmouth spokesman Robert Connolly refused to comment on the financial aid app of 19 -year-old soph Dzhokhar. 'It is our position - and I believe the accepted position in higher education - that student records including academic records and financial records (including financial aid) cannot under federal law be released without a student’s consent.'

<><> The FCC would not discuss whether the suspected bombers had govt-paid Obamaphones.

<><> Cambridge housing officials would not comment on if the brothers had Section 8 rental subsidy offered by the HUD to low income households.

<><> Muslim Chechen immigrants--the bombers' parents--were legal, non-citizen residents who claimed "asylum" status and met the eligibility criteria for endless SS checks.

<><> In sum, while planning the bombing, the Muslim Chechneyan immigrants received every conceivable tax-paid public benefit available out there.

9 posted on 03/05/2020 9:44:06 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use<.)
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To: bitt

So who’s getting fired?

Paging Bagpipes Barr....

L


10 posted on 03/05/2020 9:44:39 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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How do moslems who committed terror attacks get characterized as “homegrown”?

Just because they are citizens does not make them “homegrown”... Moslems are mohambone grown regardless of where they live...

This is a scam so that the gvt can lump Constitutionalists into the category for potential terrorists...

All moslems should be in the same category with ISIS or all the other terror groups...


11 posted on 03/05/2020 9:46:13 AM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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FBI too busy #ing over the average voter.


12 posted on 03/05/2020 9:46:44 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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Another anti-American legacy of the goofball Halfrican.
FBI UNDER THE THUMB OF SAVAGE MUSLIMS.
Obama orders Muslim indoctrination of the FBI

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MUSLIM INDOCTRINATION OF THE FBI:
White nationalism promoted as bigger threat than Muslim jihadism

Leo Hohmann | 1/26/18 | FR Posted by markomalley

Two Michigan residents attended a BRIDGES meeting hosted by the Detroit office of the FBI recently that left them stunned by the level of Islamist infiltration at the Bureau. BRIDGES is a quarterly FBI outreach program that stands for Building Respect in Diverse Groups to Enhance Sensitivity, whereby the FBI hosts workshops for law enforcement and various immigrant communities.

They’ve been held in Boston, Detroit, Houston and Minneapolis-St. Paul and some city police departments host similar meetings on their own, without the FBI in attendance. According to the FBI website, BRIDGES “brings together members of diverse communities and state, local, and federal law enforcement agencies to discuss issues and concerns within their communities.”

In southeastern Michigan, those diverse communities include an array of Islamic migrant enclaves, both Shia and Sunni, as well as Coptic, Chaldean and Assyrian Christians forced to flee their Middle Eastern homelands by the Islamic State and other jihadist groups. The outreaches can sometimes go to bizarre lengths to demonstrate the FBI’s respect for Islam. In St. Paul, for example, the FBI boasted in its Oct. 7, 2014 edition of the Law Enforcement Bulletin that the local police department “hosted its first halal cookout” with the Somali Muslim community.

The Jan. 10 FBI BRIDGES meeting in Michigan serves as a fresh reminder of how the FBI has made a concerted effort to divert the eyes of law enforcement away from Muslim communities as potential breeding grounds for terror and refocus attention on “Islamophobic” American citizens. The meeting, held at the Troy Police and Fire Training Center in Oakland County, an affluent suburb of Detroit, was described as “painful to watch” by two guests who attended. Dick Manasseri, an activist with Secure Michigan and a resident of Oakland County, gained entry to the meeting by way of a guest invitation from the American Middle Eastern Christian Congress, a regular attendee. But he said he heard nothing about the plight of persecuted Middle Eastern Christians now living in Oakland County. Instead, almost the entire hour-and-a-half meeting was spent focusing on Islamic religious and cultural practices and trying to debunk any derogatory information police officers may have received about Islamic ideology.

The FBI’s point person for this task was Bushra Alawie, a young female Muslim wearing a full head covering, or hijab. Alawie served in the Army National Guard and upon leaving the Guard in September 2016 the FBI hired her to be its “community outreach specialist” in Detroit. The mother of four spoke confidently and without any trace of an accent during her presentation on Islamic “cultural education.” “I get that initial look like, ‘is that really Bushra’ because of my visibly Muslim attire,” she told Detroit’s WXYZ-TV in 2016. “Immediately those rumors are dispelled and it’s business as usual.”

Alawie admitted in the WXYZ-TV interview that her real mission at the FBI is not to ferret out tips and information useful in the apprehension of terrorists but rather it is to “combat Islamophobia.”

That just happens to be the same exact mission of the Muslim Brotherhood-offshoot Council on American-Islamic Relations, which has an entire division called the Department to Monitor and Combat Islamophobia. And while he did not attend the January meeting, CAIR’s Michigan chapter head, Dawud Walid, has a standing invitation to the FBI’s quarterly BRIDGES meetings in metro Detroit.

Also on the FBI’s invite list is CAIR’s former Michigan chapter leader, Muthanna Al-Hanooti, who was convicted in 2011 of conspiring to work for a foreign government, Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, and making false statements to the same FBI. Yes, that would be the same FBI which now courts him as a guest at its Detroit-area outreach meetings.

WATCH VIDEO AT WEB SITE : Meet Bushra Alawie, a Muslim woman working for the FBI

About that phrase “Allahu Akbar,” so frequently shouted during the commission of Islamic terrorist attacks, Alawie assured the police officers in attendance not to worry or give it a second thought. According to her, “Allahu Akbar”:
<><>Is said by Muslims 85 times a day
<><>Was said by Jews and Christians before Islam began
<><>Would be used to celebrate the birth of a child or in the prayer of a sick person
<><>Is perfectly normal and not particularly associated with violent jihad.

She explained that “jihad” means: An inner struggle – for her to “not eat cheesecake” Higher jihad – inner struggle Lower Jihad – to defend one’s property.

She mentioned that “Jihad” was even a name taken by Christian men on occasion and that there was an FBI employee of Palestinian descent whose name was Jihad. According to Alawie, if we Americans understand these subtleties, then we will be well on our way to wiping out Islamophobia. Where did the impetus for this FBI focus on Islamophobia come from?

It certainly did not originate in Oakland County, Michigan, or even Washington. It’s international in scope. “Combating Islamophobia” has been a top priority, since at least 2005, of the United Nations and the Muslim Brotherhood-dominated Organization of Islamic Cooperation, a 57-nation group of Muslim-majority nations that makes up the largest voting bloc at the U.N.

The OIC adopted its 10-year Strategic Action Plan to Overcome Islamophobia in 2005, calling for nations to pass new laws “including deterrent punishments” for those guilty of Islamophobia. This crime was described as any speech that counters the OIC’s statement that “Islam is the religion of moderation and tolerance.”

This 10-year plan served as the basis for the 2011 U.N. Human Rights Resolution 16/18, which encourages every nation in the world to adopt hate-speech laws making “defamation of religion” a crime. There is only one religion, however, that seeks to punish people for speech deemed offensive to its members – Islam. Many nations in Western Europe, including the UK, Germany and Sweden obliged, as did Canada, and passed hate-speech laws geared toward punishing these vile Islamophobes.

It was also around this same time frame – 2010 to 2012 – that lesson plans in public schools across the United States started incorporating large sections on Islam, emphasizing it as a religion of peace and tolerance. Any teacher who resisted was an Islamophobe.

In 2013 the OIC opened an office in Brussels explicitly for the purpose of combating Islamophobia in Europe.In February 2017 U.N. Secretary General Antonio Gutteres cited “Islamophobia” as the fuel that has ignited the rise of global terrorism. This U.N. focus on Islamophobia came during the peak offensives of ISIS, al-Nusra and other jihadist groups conducting a genocide against Christian minorities in Iraq and Syria – exposing the global body’s agenda as more concerned about speech deemed offensive to Muslims than beheadings, rapes and mass-murdering of Christians.

Philip Haney, a former Customs and Border Protection officer who became a founding member of the Department of Homeland Security in 2003 and a member of the Advanced Targeting Team before retiring in July 2015, said the FBI did not get to the point of rolling out Bushra Alawie overnight.

When Haney tried to blow the whistle on Homeland Security ineptitude, he found himself the target of repeated investigations and harassment. A critical data template he developed to catch terrorists before they strike was erased from the DHS computer system. He was an Islamophobe. Haney believes the term “Islamophobia” was created by the global Islamic movement to set up a watered-down version of the blasphemy laws that terrorize Christians and other religious minorities in the Middle East. Instead of a stern-looking mullah or sheikh enforcing the blasphemy laws under penalty of death, the Muslims in the West use people like Bushra Alawie, who deliver the same warning with a smile, under penalty of losing one’s reputation and career.

“She wouldn’t have been given that platform under the old rules,” Haney said. “These concessions to Islam have been developing for a long time, and the fact that someone like her would be endorsed by the FBI and given that platform, it would never have happened without all those previous developments at the OIC, U.N., and the fervent work of Obama holdovers in the FBI.” welcoming, welcoming, welcoming,” Manasseri said. “It was terribly discouraging, including when they talked about domestic terrorism and they kept coming back to white supremacism and how do you protect us from white nationalism? Stunning.”

To counter the false and incomplete training being given by the FBI, Manasseri has co-founded a project called Sharia Crime Stoppers in partnership with a retired police chief.

“The Muslim Brotherhood-managed FBI and its pandering to Islam at 60-plus BRIDGES meetings since the 9/11 terrorist attacks provides ample evidence that Michigan is already living under Sharia, even while it contemplates the candidacy of Sharia-compliant and Muslim Brotherhood-groomed candidate Abdul El-Sayed for governor,” Manasseri said. El-Sayed is running on the Democratic ticket in Michigan’s 2018 gubernatorial race.

CAIR’s Dawud Walid has already said, in an article for the Detroit News, that any questions to Muslim candidates about Sharia law are off limits. For any journalist or concerned citizen to ask such a question would be Islamophobic.

13 posted on 03/05/2020 9:47:26 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use<.)
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ACTION NOW---TALKING POINTS
The savage Muslim infestation cannot be tolerated in a civilized Christian society.
American citizens expressing free speech cannot EVER be equated with Muslim hatred and savagery.

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STOP THIS NOW----FBI indoctrination outreach using tax dollars to brainwash L/E and immigrant communities.

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ACTION NOW

Call President Trump:
Comments: 202-456-1111 Switchboard: 202-456-1414
email. president@whitehouse.gov

CONTACT CONGRESS: Capitol Switchboard 1-866-220-0044

Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice
How to file a complaint: https://www.justice.gov/crt/how-file-complaint

U.S. Department of Justice
Comment Line: 202-353-1555
Switchboard: 202-514-2000

14 posted on 03/05/2020 9:48:17 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use<.)
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2009-2017 gee what could account for that?

Marxist muslim in the White House who said Ft. Hood was workplace violence in response to Islamophobia and prePTSD, Beghazi was a protest about about a blasphemous youtube video, and Charlie Hebdo’s staff brought their deaths upon themselves by defaming Mohamned.

He blamed the Pulse nightclub shooting on Christian opposition to same sex marriage.

Worst president ever


15 posted on 03/05/2020 9:52:03 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Everyone knows Hillary was corrupt, lied, destroyed documents, and influenced witnesses. Rat crime.)
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#8 IDK they impressed the hell out of me with the early morning raid on Roger Stone’s home.


16 posted on 03/05/2020 9:55:07 AM PST by VRWCarea51 (The Original 1998 Version)
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Have to wonder how many sting operations they ran against the TEA party movement.


17 posted on 03/05/2020 10:06:38 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Everyone knows Hillary was corrupt, lied, destroyed documents, and influenced witnesses. Rat crime.)
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Idiot IG doesn’t realize that attacking America and Americans is the sine qua non of the FBI. Barr is there to ensure it continues. Move along . . .
18 posted on 03/05/2020 10:08:27 AM PST by Badboo (Why it is important)
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Boston Bombing Anniversary: Denying The Obvious
Breitbart.com ^ | April 18, 2016 | Sam Westrop
FR Posted by Biggirl

As Boston prepares for the 2016 marathon, memorials have been organized across the city. Three years later, however, have the authorities really learned anything from the horrors of the bombings?

Government officials and Islamists currently share something in common: they both believe they have the better right to define “true Islam” than ordinary Muslims themselves.

So three years since the marathon bombings, Massachusetts officials have not just failed to understand the threat; they refuse to accept that ideology plays any part at all.

The distinct refusal to acknowledge the ideological underpinning is rarely found elsewhere. Can you imagine a government official responding to neo-Nazi violence by attending a brunch with the Ku Klux Klan?

Where does this leave ordinary Americans concerned for the safety of their families? Where does this leave voiceless, genuinely moderate Muslims, whom authorities ignore while kow-towing to Islamist groups like the ISB?

Such is the strength of the “Islam is Peace” mantra, that, for politicians and law enforcement, the radicalization process is not hard to understand, but it does seem difficult to accept. Unless law enforcement and government starts to examine and counteract the ideological Islamist network that has imposed its rule over much of American Islam, there will only be more bombings, more shootings, and more stabbings. When will they learn?

Judging by the support for Muslim Brotherhood institutions in Massachusetts offered by politicians, law enforcement, and journalists, it would seem not.

Three years ago, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev lay wounded, hiding from police in the city of Watertown, a leafy suburb of Boston. On April 15, he and his brother, Tamerlan, had bombed the Boston marathon, murdering three and injuring hundreds. Over the next few days, Dzhokhar would kill MIT police officer Sean Collier, take a hostage, wound police officers in a firefight, and run over his dying brother.

By April 19, the injured Dzhokhar awaited his inevitable capture, bleeding in a Watertown backyard. As law enforcement closed in, Dzhokhar scribbled text on the walls of the boat where he hid.

For a terrorist who had just murdered in the name of Islam, some might expect his parting message to be a litany of Quranic verse. But the writings on the wall of the Watertown boat mostly comprised quotes from Islamist political tracts, written by the Islamist luminaries of the 20th century – Muslim Brotherhood and Jamaat-e-Islami ideologues such as Sayid Qutb, Hassan Al Banna, Fathi Yakan, and Abul A’la Maududi.

Dzhokhar’s justification for his killings came from the writings of Islamist movements who today control American Islam – Islamist groups who have, on the last few decades, found favor with America’s political and media elite.

Radical mosques such as the Islamic Society of Boston (ISB) remain a magnet for politicians, city officials, and journalists who want to express their love of American Muslims. Most recently, Boston Police Commissioner William Evans spoke at the mosque, declaring: “We’re all Muslims deep down. We all yearn for peace.”

This same mosque was founded by a prominent Al Qaeda operative; its trustees have included the Hitler-supporting spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood; and, just in October, the mosque hosted an event with two preachers who advocate that Muslim men can acquire sex slaves and should be allowed to beat their wives.

Over the past few decades, in fact, twelve congregants, supporters, staff and donors of the ISB have been imprisoned, deported, killed or are on the run – all in relation to terrorist activity. This list includes the Boston bombers, Al Qaeda operatives Tarek Mehanna and Aafia Siddqui; Lashkar-i-Taiba fundraiser Hafiz Masood; and the prominent Islamic State official, Ahmad Abousamra.

Most importantly, the ISB teaches the very texts that Dzhokhar scribbled across the Watertown boat. These teachings are of a Muslim Brotherhood educational program known as “Tarbiya.” The ideological link could not be clearer. Dzhokhar left written confirmation — blood and ink that explained his actions.

The authorities, however, refuse to consider what terrorists themselves proclaim. Because to accept that Islamist ideology lead to Islamist violence would be to acknowledge that the self-proclaimed guardians of American Islam pose a serious threat to the security of the United States. It would be to acknowledge that America has fundamentally misunderstood Islam itself.

Rather than tackle radical Islamism, however, law enforcement and politicians instead attend peace rallies, interfaith dialogue dinners, and other feel-good events with the Islamists themselves, who are adept at expressing peace and love by day and inciting hatred against Jews and the West at night.

In 2015, US Attorney Carmen Ortiz further illustrated this government delusion when, astoundingly, she said of the Boston bombings: “There was nothing about this crime that was Islam associated.”

When pressed on the Tsarnaev’s Islamic invocations, Ortiz went so far as to define herself what makes a real Muslim, stating that the Tsarnaev’s ideology was “a skewed view of the religion of Islam. That is not what Islam is all about.”

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19 posted on 03/05/2020 10:12:33 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use<.)
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Let’s remember that it was the Obozo, Mueller Comey FBI, the Holder Lynch DOJ, the Clapper DNI and the Hagle Brennan CIA under which all of these terrorist attacks occurred.


20 posted on 03/05/2020 10:15:01 AM PST by drypowder
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