You will be surprised at the number of VISA OVERSTAYERS ( well, aren't these also considered illegals ? ) in this country FROM CANADA
Posted on 03/04/2020 7:32:31 AM PST by SeekAndFind
I recently had the opportunity to listen to two Canadian citizens discuss the Canadian health care system, and their personal experiences within it. They were very successful, middle-aged couple who had been involved in a motor vehicle accident in the United States while driving to Florida. The accident in which they were involved was quite serious. The wife suffered fractured ribs and a fractured sternum. She also experienced pain in her shoulder, which wasn’t initially detected or diagnosed due to the extent of whole-body pain she was in. She was taken to a nearby hospital. Her husband, however, was more seriously injured.
He was trapped in the vehicle and had to be cut out by emergency personnel. He was taken by helicopter to one of the premier shock trauma centers in the state, where he remained hospitalized for four days. A broken leg, and a shattered wrist and forearm, necessitated surgeries, with hardware permanently implanted. The husband received excellent care, as did the wife, though her injuries were not of a kind that are easily treated. After four days, they returned to Canada, and began their recovery.
Had they lived in the United States, their recovery would have progressed entirely differently than it eventually did in Canada. In the United States, they would have been seen within days by their primary care physician. The husband would have been followed up by his surgeon. Additional scans and studies, including MRIs, CT scans, and X-rays would have been performed to determine if his fractures were healing, if the bones were forming new growth where they had been joined with plates and screws. The extent of any nerve damage would have been determined by EMG studies. As soon as he was ready, he would have been started on a course of physical therapy
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Yes, and the "decision makers" don't have to answer for it — or even discuss it — because of "confidentiality rules."
What typically happens is that the patient has to start airing all of their most personal medical info in the press in order to try and embarrass a bureaucrat into doing the right thing.
They should have stayed here and declared themselves to be illegals.................
The polite, compassionate Canadians. So much more polite and compassionate than those awful Americans. La di da.
Yesterday, I had to go to the hospital where I had stayed weekend before last with blood clot in my leg, to fill out and sign a long form release so that MY doctor, who works across the street from the hospital, COULD SEE MY RECORDS.....................
These are stupid threads.
I’m US born, US medical school, I’ve worked in the NHS in the UK and have close friends in Canada.
The various national schemes prioritize what is most important to the voters. In both the UK and Canada, being able to go to the doctor or have emergency care without payment is more important - MUCH MORE IMPORTANT, in fact, than prompt availability of critical care or advanced procedures for chronic illness.
If those choices are presented to the voters, free access will win 80% of the votes in the UK or Canada, without question.
The US electorate since 1965 has chosen differently. But it’s important to understand WHAT the US electorate has chosen so you will understand what happens next.
The US electorate has chosen to build out a system that prioritizes immediate availability of high tech, disease modifying or life saving procedures for as many people who can pay for, or have someone else pay for them.
The US electorate has also chosen to borrow $22 trillion dollars against the credit of their children or grandchildren to pay for all this, and to empower an army of lawyers and regulators to make sure they get it.
Neither choice is wrong. They are different cultures with different values.
RE: I’m US born, US medical school, I’ve worked in the NHS in the UK and have close friends in Canada.
OK, here’s my bottom line question — having worked in the UK, would you endorse a British style system of healthcare for the USA? If so, why? If not, why not?
How many of those ‘Canadians’ came THRU Canada from other countries?..............
I used to have a cabin in Canada and got to know the people there quite well. My neighbor, Doris, had a heart attack and was taken to the closest hospital (North Bay) about 30 miles away. Their diagnosis was a heart attack and said she needed a triple bypass. However, that diagnosis had to be confirmed by a heart specialist, the closest of which was in Sudbury, about 150 miles away. The appointment was made...over a month later. They confirmed the diagnosis and said she need to make an appointment with the surgeon for a “pre-op” consult. The was scheduled a little over 3 months out in Toronto, about 350 miles away. She made that appointment and the specialist scheduled her surgery...19 months later. She died of a heart attack 4 month after the Toronto visit appointment.
This is the same system Hillary tried to sell us back in the 1990’s. Free health care isn’t worth much when you die first. Also, if its such a great system, why does Seattle do over 57,000 major surgeries per year on Canadian patients?
Free anything either means 1) people consume too much of it, or 2) the quality isn’t what it should be. The Participation Trophy idiots are still buying into the Free Lunch concept...just like the people in Venezuela did.
Pure BS. Our healthcare system is being slowly taken over by government through mandates and putting intermediaries (insurance companies, primarily) between patients and doctors. Where the government pays (Medicare, et al), they don't pay fully to appear thrifty. The "extra expenses" are covered by those with insurance... and the costs continue to rise. To cover the costs, we throw more and more money at the system...and the cost continues to rise through inflation. It's axiomatic and by design... Ted Kennedy was quoted in the 80s as saying, "We can't take over healthcare all at once. We'll have to break the system before we can fix it."
Our $22 trillion debt is not due to healthcare. It is primarily due to government wealth-transfer programs, bloated bureaucracy, and intentional mismanagement (who's going to miss a few billion here or there?).
No, because its underlying assumptions and values are alien to our people.
We are, however, in a pre-collapse situation and what should be done is not at all clear.
My first step would be to return hospitals - all of them - to public utility status, which they mostly had from 1948-1986 and even a bit after.
But that's another discussion.
We have family friends who live in the U.K. They were involved in an automobile accident in Greece and were transported home to the U.K.
The accident left him with windshield glass embedded in the knuckles of his hand. Yes, it was as painful as it sounds. He waited for over six months to get the surgery to remove the glass. Meanwhile, they treated him with pain medications. Yes, long term use of pain medications is very hard on the body.
It was all “free”, but abysmally sloooow!
My good friend in Canada says much the same. He believes it’s important that young people can get care for serious injuries or acute severe diseases as they cannot afford huge medical bills anyway. He complains a little more, now that he’s older, that care for chronic conditions is a little worse, but still good for most people. His wife had a dissected aortic aneurysm leading to a stroke, and he’s pretty happy with her medical and rehab care. He hates the strikes by medical personnel, but likes Canadacare in general.
Obamacare would have been much better as a subsidized catastrophic care insurance instead of the comprehensive program it intended to be.
Around fifteen years ago, I was in the UK for two weeks, and often listened to the local radio talk shows.
A Brit called in on a health discussion evening. He’d had serious knee issues and they felt a knee operation was in order. However, because of his weight (up in the 250 pound range)...they wouldn’t schedule this until he’d lost around 60 pounds.
With a bad knee, he explained to them that physically working out was going to be impossible. They didn’t care. They offered up plenty of pain-medication for the rest of his life (if necessary).
He went over and had a pint of ale after this doctor-board episode. The Indian guy who ran the bar had a brother in India who was connected to a clinic that did knee operations. So he made a call.
The Indian clinic said fine, if you paid in cash....somewhere in the $2,000 range and did the rehab at a private clinic there...they’d work up the entire deal. So he took the money out of savings, bought the round-trip tickets, and I think the whole thing rounded off (with tickets) near $5,000.
More people leave open bar parties inebriated than people leaving cash bar parties.
And both of them were done at one of the world's most famous hospitals...not at some rinky dink 120 bed hospitals in the middle of nowhere.
And, odds are, both were paid for with other people's money.
THAT is the issue with the US healthcare system, We use OPM to pay the bills but don't want the taxpayers involved.
My primary care physician’s office called on a Saturday to inform me that a routine chest X-Ray had revealed a spot on my lung. I was scheduled for a Monday morning appointment, after which I underwent a CT scan next door. Two weeks later I underwent a PET scan.
Would a Canadian patient receive such prompt attention?
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