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More than half the population below the poverty line. More than $2 trillion spent. A quadrupling in opium production. Endemic corruption. War crimes. The cover-up of child sexual abuse. The rise of ISIS in Afghanistan. The list goes on.


A large meteor could land on Afghanistan removing it from the planet and the rest of Earth's inhabitants would not miss it.

1 posted on 03/04/2020 6:18:00 AM PST by artichokegrower
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I am also aware that Trump has never been consistent on Afghanistan, nor does he give a damn about ordinary Afghans.


He’s not their president. They are not his constituents. This is what a lot of leftists don’t get. America doesn’t help people in other countries. AmericanS voluntarily help them. America’s government is there to protect AMERICANS and ensure our safety and quality of life.

The ONLY reason for being in another country is to protect America and Americans.


2 posted on 03/04/2020 6:24:19 AM PST by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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Obama, for example, was scorned and slammed for releasing five Taliban detainees in exchange for a captured U.S. soldier, Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, in 2014;


And well he should have been. It was Bergdahl.


3 posted on 03/04/2020 6:25:00 AM PST by cuban leaf (The political war playing out in every country now: Globalists vs Nationalists)
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An Islamist praises impending Taliban victory. No surprises here.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehdi_Hasan
[During a sermon delivered in 2009,[46] quoting a verse of the Quran, Hasan said to an audience:

The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief – people of “no intelligence” – because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world.[47]

In response to criticism over the use of the term “cattle” to describe non-believers, Hasan wrote in his New Statesman blog: “The Quranic phrase ‘people of no intelligence’ simply and narrowly refers to the fact that Muslims regard their views on God as the only intellectually tenable position, just as atheists (like Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris) regard believers as fundamentally irrational and, even, mentally deficient.”]


4 posted on 03/04/2020 6:25:53 AM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Yeah that was handled well by bush.

the taliban crushed opium production. Who the hell cares what they did to the people there?

As long as we leveled any training camps from the sky I’d be good.

GW. All of the Bushes aren’t worth Trump’s spit.


5 posted on 03/04/2020 6:26:37 AM PST by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't but w finger at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to makne ends meet)
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How many of the 9/11 hijackers were from Afghanistan? The Taliban sheltered OBL. He has been dead for years and not even in that country for longer than that. At some point, still being in Afghanistan became even dumber than originally going into Iraq.

I heard “we have to fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here” for years. I’ve even repeated it. Well, that’s a fake argument. Since 9/11 we have let ever-increasing numbers of them into here. We are still training them to fly planes. It’s amazing how the one policy that is absolutely 100% politically impossible is the one that most Americans wanted after 9/11: They don’t get to come here. That was never even on the table. Many Black Americans (who are experiencing record low levels of unemployment due to the economic leadership of the Trump Administration in case you hadn’t heard) expressed dismay to me that the 9/11 terrorists were allowed into our country. Well, what the people wanted was never tried.

Donald Trump ran partly on ending neocon wars and not starting any new neocon wars. He is holding the line on that against enormous pressure from within “his own” party. That’s why Bill Kristol, John Podhoretz, Jennifer Rubin, et al. hate Trump so much. It’s also why some former Never-Trumpers have come to support Trump or even serve in his administration: to manipulate from within. We were supposed to have been at war in at least Syria and Iran by now, in addition to Iraq and Afghanistan. You know, because fighting wars in the Middle East serves America’s interests ... somehow.

President Trump deserves the Nobel Peace Prize, mainly for what he has refused to do to this point, but the prize doesn’t deserve him.


9 posted on 03/04/2020 7:12:46 AM PST by cdcdawg (Cornpop was a pony soldier!)
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And do a buh-zillion dollars of improvement. Besides, didn’t the head cheese from a-stan back out already?


12 posted on 03/04/2020 7:20:32 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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Anyone in Afghanistan under the age of 20 has never known any other life than war with the US. What have we gained from it? Better let them suffer under the Taliban than hate us from afar.


15 posted on 03/04/2020 9:10:30 AM PST by jimmygrace
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I’m not a fan of negotiating with the Taliban. The only negotiation should involve machete to neck.


17 posted on 03/04/2020 9:53:13 AM PST by Sam Gamgee
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