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Whoops could go the other way if Turkey chose to over-run all of Russia’s forces in Syria. They can’t be supported effectively if Turkey does not allow it and it seems doubtful Russia would make a nuclear response. Russia does not have many allies right now, so it is tough to predict how they would react if Turkey really punched them in the nose. Turkey and Russia have about the same population aged 15-30, but Russia needs to keep an eye on Ukraine, Poland, the Baltics, and the Far East. Russia sending 500,000 troops though the Caucasus and then fighting through the mountains in Turkey is not a credible threat. Putin wins if things stay small, but Erdogan has geography on his side if things escalate.
13 posted on 02/28/2020 9:43:55 PM PST by Kaisersrsic
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To: Kaisersrsic

If Turks over ran Russian Base, the Russians would answer in many horrible ways and defy NATO to do anything. Russians have nasty weapons that are not nukes.


14 posted on 02/28/2020 10:39:39 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Kaisersrsic

If Turks over ran Russian Base, the Russians would answer in many horrible ways and defy NATO to do anything. Russians have nasty weapons that are not nukes.


15 posted on 02/28/2020 10:39:40 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Kaisersrsic

If Turks over ran Russian Base, the Russians would answer in many horrible ways and defy NATO to do anything. Russians have nasty weapons that are not nukes.


16 posted on 02/28/2020 10:39:40 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: Kaisersrsic

[Whoops could go the other way if Turkey chose to over-run all of Russia’s forces in Syria. They can’t be supported effectively if Turkey does not allow it and it seems doubtful Russia would make a nuclear response. Russia does not have many allies right now, so it is tough to predict how they would react if Turkey really punched them in the nose. Turkey and Russia have about the same population aged 15-30, but Russia needs to keep an eye on Ukraine, Poland, the Baltics, and the Far East. Russia sending 500,000 troops though the Caucasus and then fighting through the mountains in Turkey is not a credible threat. Putin wins if things stay small, but Erdogan has geography on his side if things escalate.]


The part about geography being on Erdogan’s side is very true. The easiest way of preventing Turkey from doing whatever it wants in Syria would be an attack across the Russian border with Turkey to force the Turks to divert their forces away from Syria. Problem is Article 5 of the NATO Charter, involving an allied response to attacks against a NATO member’s territory, would come into play. The Article 4 meeting might have been an attempt to gin up NATO support just in case the Russians decide to start bombing Turkish bases from facilities in Russia proper.

No invasion of Turkey by ground troops, but airstrikes from Russia, if the Turks move further into Syria, endangering the Russian air base. However, I seriously doubt the Russians want to start trading aircraft with the Turks, because they’re pretty expensive, but it could happen, if Erdogan ups the ante. The issue for Putin is that the Turkish air force is a lot more capable than what the Ukrainians and Georgians had, both equipment- and personnel-wise. NATO standards are fairly high, and Turkey is one of the better-armed NATO members.


17 posted on 02/28/2020 11:38:50 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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