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To: maggief
The headline is deceptive. The article doesn't advocate taking voting away. It advocates letting the parties pick the candidates.

It should be apparent to anyone with a brain that the present system for winnowing the field doesn't work (If you define "work" as producing the best candidates).

What's wrong with letting the parties pick the candidates and let the people decide who wins? I can't think of a system that would produce worse candidates than we've been getting for the last 20 years or more.

10 posted on 02/19/2020 7:27:10 AM PST by trad_anglican
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To: trad_anglican

Democrats: back to smoke-filled rooms. Minus the smoke.


15 posted on 02/19/2020 7:28:34 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: trad_anglican
The headline is deceptive. The article doesn't advocate taking voting away. It advocates letting the parties pick the candidates.

If you did that Hillary would be your President and Trump would still be hosting reality game shows.


18 posted on 02/19/2020 7:30:04 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog (Patrick Henry would have been an anti-vaxxer)
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To: trad_anglican

Does letting Ditch choose GOPee Senators and Trump’s AG work well?


24 posted on 02/19/2020 7:32:38 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: trad_anglican

So in 2016 the parties would have picked Jeb! and Hillary.

Are you happy with that outcome?

I’m not and would have stayed home.


28 posted on 02/19/2020 7:33:47 AM PST by desertfreedom765
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To: trad_anglican
The Washington Post has an official slogan: "Democracy Dies in Darkness."

I don't know WTF that is supposed to mean exactly, but this op-ed pretty much exposes that entire organization as a bunch of comical frauds.

31 posted on 02/19/2020 7:34:25 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Oh, but it's hard to live by the rules; I never could and still never do.")
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To: trad_anglican

“...It advocates letting the parties pick the candidates.”


Would the Republican party elites of 2015 picked Trump or Bush?


35 posted on 02/19/2020 7:37:00 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: trad_anglican
What's wrong with letting the parties pick the candidates and let the people decide who wins? I can't think of a system that would produce worse candidates than we've been getting for the last 20 years or more.

With that system there would be no Trump! How awful. Bite your tongue! Who the hell are you? A DU plant?

My God that system would only yield globalists , RINOS and socialists to choose from!

38 posted on 02/19/2020 7:39:19 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: trad_anglican

“What’s wrong with letting the parties pick the candidates and let the people decide who wins? I can’t think of a system that would produce worse candidates than we’ve been getting for the last 20 years or more.”

Hillary would’ve beaten Jeb in 2016.


40 posted on 02/19/2020 7:40:25 AM PST by ebshumidors
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To: trad_anglican

The headline isn’t deceptive. Giving voters a choice of pre-approved options isn’t democracy, it’s veiled oligarchy.

Yes, the current system is imperfect. A slate of “normal” candidates loses by splitting the majority vote, giving a plurality to the outlier nutcase. Would be best at this point if the “normal” candidates were to huddle and decide which objectively has the best chance, the remainders checking out lest the nut win. Other solutions welcome for consideration, but most quickly prove little more than handing power to an unelected oligarchy.

The current system isn’t completely broken either. It’s how we got Trump: he was the outlier, and the remainder fragmented the majority vote so none could win against him (nor could they have won against Hillary). I’m not convinced Bernie isn’t the right choice for Democrats: fact is he IS the best embodiment of the party’s values, and the remainder are unelectable (vs Trump) twits. Bernie can’t win the general, but actually is the Left’s best chance to.

The problem with “Democratic Socialism” (which the article is premised on) is: who decides what goes on the ballot? if all options are practically indistinguishable, being whatever The Party would be happy with, why bother with voting?


44 posted on 02/19/2020 7:50:25 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Democrats oppose democracy.)
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To: trad_anglican
.....parties pick the candidates .... the people decide who wins?

That's actually what the current system used to be. Primaries are meant to be HOW parties picked candidates. The primaries used to all take place within a much shorter time span.

"Settled Law" still says, I think, that the parties control primaries, and the state just administers them in the manner specified by the party. I recall when a state, California I think, changed primary rules in a way that one of the parties did not like. The party filed suit and quickly prevailed, with the court ruling that the primary was to be conducted in a manner specified by the party.

Below is one example of current judicial sanity:

https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article236780358.html

In her decision, (South Carolina) Circuit Court Judge Jocelyn Newman said state law “unambiguously” says that the S.C. GOP has the right to decide whether it wants to hold a presidential primary, and because voters aren’t directly voting for a candidate in the contest, state law does not apply to the presidential primary.

48 posted on 02/19/2020 8:00:45 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: trad_anglican

You have a screw loose? That would suck. That British system of the party presenting us candidates that the little people have no say in choosing would have given us Jeb. There would have never been a President Trump.


52 posted on 02/19/2020 8:58:00 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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