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This law tells NY crime witnesses who see something to say… nothing
New York Post ^ | February 13, 2020 | David M. Hoovler

Posted on 02/13/2020 6:47:08 PM PST by karpov

“If you see something, say something.”

In post-9/11 New York, commuters, tourists and schoolchildren daily read and heard this motto. Other cities, states and ­nations picked it up, to encourage those who witness wrong behavior to report it to authorities. It evokes civic duty and responsibility for the well-being of our neighbors. It’s part of the social contract and helps prevent and solve crimes.

No more. New York’s criminal justice “reform” undermines the simple motto that has become central to good order in a big city. ­With the discovery law effective since Jan. 1, if you see something, you may want to think twice before you say something.

Although there has been much focus on the new law’s bail measures, in the upcoming weeks and months, we will see the impact of the discovery component, and it will be ugly. The measure will hinder law enforcers trying to solve crimes and undermine public confidence in our justice system.

Under the law, prosecutors must give defense counsel the name and contact information of anyone with information relevant to a case within 15 days of arraignment — ­regardless of whether the person will testify at trial.

Have you ever called 911? Even if you want to report criminal activity without giving your name, the recording of the call and your telephone number will now be handed over to the bad guy.

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Before the new law, only the names and addresses of witnesses who were going to testify had to be disclosed, affording others who come forward the benefit of having their names and identifying information protected. Yes, the accused have the right to confront their accusers. That right should be upheld at trial, in a courtroom, not at a home or place of work months before trial.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: New York
KEYWORDS: anarchotyranny; crime; newyork; witnessintimidation
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"Orange County District Attorney David M. Hoovler is president of the District Attorneys Association of the State of New York."
1 posted on 02/13/2020 6:47:08 PM PST by karpov
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To: karpov

Absolute idiots are ru(i)nning the state, which is just another in a long list of reasons why we’re moving.


2 posted on 02/13/2020 6:52:36 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: karpov

Yet still we must protect the name of Eric Ci—, well the whistleblower.


3 posted on 02/13/2020 6:55:14 PM PST by LeoTDB69
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To: karpov

Political correctness is a deadly force in our world.

As I recall, a neighbor was suspicious of things happening at the home of the Muslim terrorists in San Bernardino, CA, who ended up massacring about 14 people I believe? But, that neighbor was afraid and cowed by political correctness to say anything.


4 posted on 02/13/2020 6:55:55 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: karpov

I was just reading about Saint Francis’ being influenced by the story of the Good Samaritan. A priest and then a Levite walked past a badly beaten crime victim but a Samaritan stopped, bandaged him and set him up with his own money to stay at an inn until the Samaritan could return.

Now, don’t say a word. Don’t admit you saw anything. And for gosh sakes don’t turn in a Muslim terrorist planning a killing. And keep silent about a deranged student planning to kill people. They’ll sue YOU. It’s not healthy.


5 posted on 02/13/2020 6:55:59 PM PST by frank ballenger (End vote harvesting,non-citizen voting & leftist media news censorship or we are finished.)
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To: karpov

Some suggest that organized crime pushed the early gun control laws.


6 posted on 02/13/2020 6:59:04 PM PST by jimfree (My19 y/o granddaughter continues to have more quality exec experience than an 8 year Obama.)
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To: karpov

How did such a bad law ever get approved? Was it added to another bunch of laws? Of course there will be less witnesses coming forward. This law is only for the benefit of the accused, and does nothing at all for the victim of that circumstance, but subject them to further victimization.
In short; It’s stupid!


7 posted on 02/13/2020 7:01:28 PM PST by lee martell
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To: karpov

Nope. Don’t cooperate. Anyone could be leveraged and forced to lie for the State. It’s not worth the risk because the State is the enemy of the people.


8 posted on 02/13/2020 7:02:28 PM PST by grumpygresh (Civil disobedience by jury nullification.)
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To: karpov

NYC, terrorist sanctuary city


9 posted on 02/13/2020 7:02:45 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hatse:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I dont want to hear liberal papers saying how the sauds are terrorists. Liberals manufacture a whole industry of sanctuarization of terrorists even Saudi Arabia does not want


10 posted on 02/13/2020 7:04:13 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security in hatse:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: metmom

Nope,not idiots.They’d be far less dangerous if they were idiots.They’re amoral.Pay close attention to what they say,what they write and what they do and you’ll see that I’m right.


11 posted on 02/13/2020 7:06:08 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: metmom

Indeed they are. Sadly, we have too many neighbors supporting the depraved leadership.


12 posted on 02/13/2020 7:07:10 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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How did such a bad law ever get approved?

That an easy one to answer.Today's Rat Party did it.The Party run by Occasional Cortex and a Somali moslem whore.

13 posted on 02/13/2020 7:08:20 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: karpov

There’s already been beatings and at least one killing of witnesses by MS-13 the first two days after the info was turned over to a murdering thugs lawyer.


14 posted on 02/13/2020 7:14:55 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: jimfree

Not suggest. State Senator Sullivan of Tammany Hall who ran the gangs in NYC, pushed what is known as the “Sullivan law” to stop muggees from shooting muggers when accosted.


15 posted on 02/13/2020 7:20:08 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: lee martell
How did such a bad law ever get approved? Was it added to another bunch of laws?

It was in a bundle of new laws passed by the idiot NY legislature last year and signed by the idiot governor Andrew Cuomo to great fanfare and self-congratulation. The other major new law in that package was the elimination of bail for a large number of offenses. Both have already led to very serious bad consequences after going into effect on Jan 1, which was predicted by many people with actual functional brains.

16 posted on 02/13/2020 7:23:51 PM PST by SFConservative
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To: SFConservative

I knew it! I figured a certain level of sneaky behavior was necessary to allow this to become law.


17 posted on 02/13/2020 7:34:43 PM PST by lee martell
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Under the law, prosecutors must give defense counsel the name and contact information of anyone with information relevant to a case within 15 days of arraignment — ­regardless of whether the person will testify at trial.

What?! You mean I won't be able to send in "poison-pen letters" and make wild accusations against my neighbors? I won't be able to make anonymous phone calls to the sheriff and make slanderous accusations any more? I'll be what?! Held accountable?

Rats!

Regards,

18 posted on 02/13/2020 9:03:53 PM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Actually, they are just evil.


19 posted on 02/14/2020 5:30:39 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Change that to “utterly and irretrievably evil” and I'll agree.
20 posted on 02/14/2020 5:40:38 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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