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Is America ready to go "hard libertarian"? Let people use heroin, but if they destroy their bodies and minds, they are free to starve and freeze outside, with only private charity to possibly help them. I don't think so.

If we decriminalize hard drugs, I bet we'll end up paying more for food stamps, Social Security disability, and other welfare programs to support more addicts. So I oppose decriminalizing.

1 posted on 02/11/2020 7:49:42 PM PST by karpov
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War on drugs. We surrender!


2 posted on 02/11/2020 7:52:10 PM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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America wants cheap legal and all drugs and virtually no police. We also want a min wage that’ll cost $50t over 10 years for a lousy $500 a month.

But by FAR most Americans want and demand legal drugs.


3 posted on 02/11/2020 7:52:18 PM PST by Monty22002
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That would be the end.


4 posted on 02/11/2020 7:52:22 PM PST by immadashell (Save Innocent Lives - ban gun free zones)
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Translation: Is America ready for Buttplug?


5 posted on 02/11/2020 7:53:13 PM PST by Fungi
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If we are going for lawlessness, then remove all laws. But that’s not what they are doing. They are promoting evil and crushing good.


6 posted on 02/11/2020 7:56:32 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord!)
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Fentanyl?


7 posted on 02/11/2020 8:00:30 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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We see the results from the “other” libtards in San Fran and LA. Neither of them are worth listening to


8 posted on 02/11/2020 8:03:33 PM PST by Bommer (I am a MAGA-Deplorian! It is the way! It is the only way!)
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I don’t mind idiots destroying their own lives with drugs, but too often they destroy the lives of their children, too.


9 posted on 02/11/2020 8:06:27 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (If gun ownership by private citizens scares DemocRats, the 2nd Amendment is doing its job.)
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It would devastate families. They would be helpless to stop loved ones from destroying their lives before their eyes.

I have a cousin whose son used heroin. He looked like zombie but luckily he stopped using (though I suspect he could easily begin using any moment now that he believes he has it under control).

On the other hand, there would be a sell-culling of the weak who can't resist temptation. Hopefully people would learn to make the right choice and avoid drugs after seeing what unrestricted use can do.

10 posted on 02/11/2020 8:07:15 PM PST by yesthatjallen
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What? Will I still get arrested for acid?

Seriously, this is criminal. Both of those drugs are devastating.


11 posted on 02/11/2020 8:08:16 PM PST by Yogafist
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Self Cleaning Oven.

I’m good with it.

I see nothing in my copy of the constitution wherein the federal government is given any authority over what I put in my body, only by implication the authority to punish me if I harm others as a result.


12 posted on 02/11/2020 8:11:22 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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Give out free 2 week supply of heroine at the welfare office. Every 2nd Wednesday, the dependent class mysteriously shrinks.


13 posted on 02/11/2020 8:20:14 PM PST by Mr. Blond
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I’d say keep it criminal but change sentencing for users (not dealers) with a strong treatment-instead-of-jail option. Addiction is unique in that it’s both a disease and a crime (at least in its effects on society). I think the law should recognize that. Give addicts a chance at treatment. If they don’t make it, then leave them to their fate, and put them in jail for the non-drug crimes (trespass, vandalism, petty theft, etc.) that addicts inevitably commit. We should reinstitute the vagrancy laws. If you’re living on the street with no visible means of support then you need to either shape up, go to treatment, or go to jail. We need to thread the needle on this - not saying there’s an easy solution.


16 posted on 02/11/2020 8:28:06 PM PST by Thilly Thailor
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Go the way of Zurich?

The Swiss Heroin Experiment


17 posted on 02/11/2020 8:35:47 PM PST by Daffynition (*Mega Dittoes and Mega Prayers* & :))
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China is just itching for revenge for the Opium Dens, they’ve never forgotten.


18 posted on 02/11/2020 8:38:00 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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I like the concept of freedom for adults and if people overdose or lose their jobs it should be THEIR problem. The society we have keeps bailing out people for their own behavior. If we let them suffer the consequences, then the freedom thing might work.

Libertarians have some good ideas, but they are often too idealistic. Ideas have to be practical and workable.


23 posted on 02/11/2020 8:47:07 PM PST by olesigh
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It’s a somewhat trivial matter whether or not they legalize heroin and meth. The idiots who use too much will kill themselves, and in the big picture, life really won’t change much at the macro level.

It will be a far, FAR different matter if they legalize LSD. THAT would have VERY far reaching implications at the societal and global levels.


25 posted on 02/11/2020 8:56:05 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding" don't)
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I’ve seen many who abused drugs while receiving Social Security disability income.


27 posted on 02/11/2020 9:14:10 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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When Wallace pushed Buttigieg to clarify what decriminalization might entail, he couldn’t provide any specifics,......

He never does on anything he speaks about...he’s got no answers, just flowery talk and more flowery talk so he can be seen as the neighborly mr Rodgers.....

Buttigiege is a fake.


28 posted on 02/11/2020 9:19:36 PM PST by caww
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The new drug tolerance regime is costing us immeasurably and will cost increasingly more in many ways. It’s costly enormously in tax revenues through many government programs, in suffering from crimes committed, in our losses of freedoms (see drug legalization states passing gun control laws), further destruction of the family, further damage to children from misinformation in schools, further damage against national security,...

And look at the political party that Bootyjuice is appealing to for votes and getting those votes. Look what the most popular illegal drug does to political thought in the human mind.


33 posted on 02/11/2020 9:23:24 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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