Is The Coronavirus A Bioweapon?

Epoch Times ^ | 7 Feb 2020 | Steven W. Mosher

[Ancesthntr]

“I seriously doubt it. *If* so, it would be one of the least effective bioweapons ever developed.

So far, less than 2% of verified cases result in death....”

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Your figure is off - not because the Chinese lie (oh, btw, they do), but because you are using overall deaths during the entire course of this disease, with people who are infected who have NOT had the disease run its course. You need to take the X number of people who were infected on a certain date (let’s say January 10) and see how many of those EXACT SAME PEOPLE are still alive after the normal period of time until death or cure, which is likely 3-4 weeks. So, right about now. What you are doing is comparing apples to oranges, resulting in an invalid equation and thus invalid results.

Now, whether your equation is valid or not, that does not answer the question of whether or not this is a bioweapon. I would tend to think not, just because it is difficult to make one that could not be easily detected, but then again the Chinese are not making it easy to believe that - because they initially quarantined about 50 million people with their army, and now the figure is reputed to be on the north side of 400 million. You don’t do that for a normal flu virus, let alone a cold.

Oh, BTW, even IF the death rate was about 2%, that would be 20 times the mortality rate for the “normal” flu, and it is at least as communicable as the normal flu (and maybe more so). 20 times the roughly 25,000 dead in this US alone is half a million people - nothing to sneeze at (no pun intended).

It does not pay to underestimate this disease, nor to go running around with one’s hair on fire. The actual truth is probably somewhere in between, and that is bad enough.

[null and void]

I see what the CDC is saying BASED ON CHINESE LIES.

I see what the CDC is saying BASED ON CHINESE LIES.

Yep. to save face the Chinese are saying that at the end of a clinical level infection 910 died out of 4222 treated. 21.5%. That's their heavily fudged numbers.

and for an alleged a 2% fatality rate mostly made up of useless eaters, the Chinese government sure is panicking, isn't it?

Like always, when dealing with politicians anywhere on Earth, ignore what they say, watch what they DO!

Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's life, it's worth it.

[null and void]

If you’re still alive in 60 days let’s review, assuming I’m still alive then...

[Ancesthntr]

“Outside China...1 death.”

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That is apparently accurate.

SO FAR.

What could make it worse?

1) Well, this disease takes some time to kill, probably about 4 weeks. Plus, the disease incubates for a while (up to 2 weeks) before presenting symptoms (that look just like the “regular” flu), all the while the infected person is contagious.

2) We can poke fun at any given Turd World medical system all that we’d like to do so, but if we get 500,000 cases by the end of April you’re going to have our system overwhelmed, and the standard of care won’t be that much better. That to me is the key - how many people get infected. There are only so many doctors and nurses (and they can get sick, too), so many hospital beds and so much in the way of critical medical supplies. Our medical system is like our grocery or department stores - it, too, runs on a JIT inventory system. Overwhelm it, and it definitely won’t function as designed.

Complacency is not advised. Neither is running around with one’s hair on fire. Realism is the best solution - and it IS possible to have a disease running around among the population that is quite virulent and not subject to control/cure before it makes quite a mark on us. If it does have “just” a 2% mortality rate, and 30 million people get it, that means 600,000 dead, which is no joke.

[Ancesthntr]

“I don’t think it is a bioweapon either but if you were going to create a bioweapon you don’t need it to be lethal, if it’s lethal you would not get as much bang for the buck since the dead are not that big a burden. What you would aim for is a weapon that makes people very ill, too ill to work or to fight- but does not take away the hope of recovery. You just need it to incapacitate the victims to burden those who are healthy with tending to vast numbers of sick patients, and you need it to be known to be nonlethal so that stressed caregivers do not give up and drop the burden of tending to the ill, yet bad enough that victimes must be tended. That way you force the enemy to commit much of his resources, transport, food, etc., to the task- resources he cannot use against you.”

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IOW, the argument for the 5.56mm cartridge vs. 7.62 x 51.

[2CAVTrooper]

“He Fuchu

Is that a real name?”

I assume yes. The pilot who hit our EP-3 back in 01 or 02 was named Wong Wei.

[Ancesthntr]

“If unavailable, 15,000 IU of Vitamin D (Note: 15,000 IU is a huge dose of Vitamin D, a fat soluble vitamin. This means excess Vitamin D is stored in the liver, rather being excreted. The half life of Vitamin D is roughly three weeks, and Vitamin D toxicity can cause serious problems)”

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It is not as easy to OD on Vitamin D (really D3) as people suspect. I have been taking at least 5,000 units/day for years and I don’t get sick very much at all. No apparent toxicity symptoms. I read once that you’d have to take a couple hundred thousand units/day for many weeks to have a chance of toxicity.

WRT Vitamin A, just have a lot of carrots and/or sweet potatoes, and you’ll have all of the Beta Carotene that you could ever want, with no possibility of OD’ing.

[Ancesthntr]

I saw someone post something this weekend from China about the virus with the name of Yu Hu. Funny guy (or gal), obviously with some knowledge of English (and a fear of getting caught by the authorities over there).

[null and void]

I have been taking at least 5,000 units/day for years and I don’t get sick very much at all.

Me too!

[Synthesist]

” ...Your figure is off... ...Now, whether your equation is valid or not... “

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NOT MY FIGURE!!! NOT MY EQUATION!!! Good ******* grief...

All “credible” reports so far show that this supposed bioweapon is an absolute failure.

[Vendome]

We have outlived most people we know so, We will be fine

Anyway, see you in April or May

For the weekend

[Ancesthntr]

“NOT MY FIGURE!!! NOT MY EQUATION!!! Good ******* grief...”

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Well, you are quoting the figures, and you are basing your conclusion of a somewhat low mortality rate based on those figures...

...so for purposes of this thread, YES, they are your figures.

That said, we all have to start a discussion based on some underlying facts, even if we know that they aren’t accurate (as is the case here). So *not* yours in the sense of you didn’t create them (of course), but *yours* in the sense of you are using them...and I was telling you and others on this thread why I didn’t think that the particular calculation that you used was particularly informative or valid.

[Synthesist]

“ …Well, you are quoting the figures, and you are basing your conclusion of a somewhat low mortality rate based on those figures...
...so for purposes of this thread, YES, they are your figures… “

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What a ridiculous accusation. I did not quote any figures, certainly not “for purposes of this thread”. I merely based my argument against 2019-nCoV being a bioengineered weapon based on credible reports gathered so far.

My argument against 2019-nCoV (Wuhan coronavirus) being a bioengineered weapon – STANDS.

[Synthesist]

Note to self:

Stop reading and replying to ridiculous comments posted here on FR. It is an increasingly futile endeavor and therefore a total waist of time.

[Fedora]

The SF story you're thinking of was Robert Heinlein's 1941 serial Sixth Column aka The Day After Tomorrow, based on an idea by John Campbell. In 1985 the KGB and Stasi began spreading rumors about U.S. development of AIDS as an ethnic bioweapon targeting blacks, a disinformation campaign called Operation Denver. In the United States, these rumors were spread by jailed Weather Underground member David Gilbert, whose role was exposed at length by researcher Nicholas Nattrass.

[GOPJ]

It makes sense that WaPo and other MSM apologists are helping the ChiComs

Biden's son - and god knows how many other democrats (and their friends and families) - have nice cushy side-deals with China... Maybe the WaPo is just doing their usual - helping democrats and as a byproduct helping democrat's commie friends...

[Ancesthntr]

So, let your position stand. I think that you are comparing apples to oranges (i.e. all deaths to all infections, without letting the current infections run their course), but we can agree to disagree.

I, myself, have said that while it MIGHT be a bioweapon, someone has to prove that to me. It’s not that I trust the Chicoms to be benevolent, but:

1) It isn’t a simple to whip up such a disease;

AND

2) be able to get away with disbursing it - which necessarily implies BOTH large-scale immunity in one’s own country AND that no one will be able to figure out that you launched this horrible disease. Because if you don’t get away with it, then they proceed to nuke you back to the Stone Age.

[Ancesthntr]

“Stop reading and replying to ridiculous comments posted here on FR. It is an increasingly futile endeavor and therefore a total waist of time.”

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Yeah, whatever. You are so invested in your simplistic manner of analyzing the figures that are out there that you can’t even admit that MAYBE there is another way...possibly because you simply can’t deal with the fact that this disease may be worse - much worse - than you think it is.

BTW, I sincerely hope that you are correct, that this disease is being overblown and over-hyped. I WANT to be wrong, believe me.

Sorry for “waisting” your time trying to educate you a bit.

[TigerClaws]

I’ve heard Bill Cosby (pre rape days) say AIDS was creTed by our government to kill black people.

Russia was already reporting disinformation that the caronavirus was created by the United States as a bio weapon.

[Synthesist]

Ummm... No.

A known discredited anti-vaccer has the audacity to weigh in on this 2019-nCoV outbreak...

No thanks...

Still no credible evidence that 2019-nCoV is a bioengineered weapon.