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Former ATF agent at center of legal dispute over AR-15
CNN ^ | Updated 7:25 AM ET, Fri February 7, 2020 | Scott Glover

Posted on 02/08/2020 10:09:01 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: gandalftb

I’m familiar with 80% firearms as I’ve made several. Wasn’t aware of the fixtures being available for full auto. “All NFA rules apply”.
Seems like thin ice to me selling to the general public.


41 posted on 02/08/2020 12:15:09 PM PST by rickomatic
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To: Lurker
See 9th Circuit Stewart case.

United States v. Stewart (2003) - Wikipedia

SCOTUS has ruled on this. Scalia of all justices.

42 posted on 02/08/2020 12:21:13 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Gay State Conservative

I’ve been making a similar arguement for years. If the founders had intended for Second Amendment rights to be subject to interpretation and restriction by individual states why did they even include it into the Bill of Rights that are guaranteed by the founding document to all citizens of these united States? Each state ratified the Constitution as superior to State constitutions so why do they even have a say at all? I don’t see States limiting any of the other rights guaranteed us by the Constitution.


43 posted on 02/08/2020 12:36:22 PM PST by vigilence (Vigilence)
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To: Gay State Conservative

You don’t need an LTC to own a gun in California.


44 posted on 02/08/2020 12:48:57 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: TexasGator
I'm talking about my state.

Gay State = "Bay State = Massachusetts

45 posted on 02/08/2020 12:52:19 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: gandalftb

Goes even deeper.
Neither an AR15/10 upper or lower separately meet the legal definition of a”receiver”.....


46 posted on 02/08/2020 1:20:13 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Gay State Conservative

You don’t need an LTC to own a gun in MA.

Did you apply for a Class A or B LTC?


47 posted on 02/08/2020 1:20:46 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: Cboldt
"We therefore hold that Congress had a rational basis for concluding that in the aggregate, possession of homemade machine guns could substantially affect interstate commerce in machine guns."

The malignant and ugly tentacles of Wickard v Filburn are again seen.

48 posted on 02/08/2020 1:51:39 PM PST by bkopto
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To: TexasGator
There are two levels of license in MA...an FID and an LTC. IIRC FID allows ownership of certain rifles but no handguns. LTC allows ownership of basically anything that's legal in MA. I applied for an LTC.

IIRC there are no longer two types of LTC...whereas there were two at one time.

I saw a website fairly recently (can't recall the name) which was supposedly a "gun safety" advocate. It was,in fact,an anti 2nd Amendment website.It rated each of the 50 states regarding their "gun safety" policies. Curiously enough states like Alabama and Wyoming rated "D-" and they went on to explain why they were so "bad". States like New York and New Jersey got an A+ along with an explanation of why they were so great.

Massachusetts got an A-.

49 posted on 02/08/2020 1:51:44 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: Lurker

In case anyone ever thought that there was intelligent life in the ATF, Waco killed that misconception.


50 posted on 02/08/2020 1:55:23 PM PST by DPMD (uo)
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To: bkopto
-- The malignant and ugly tentacles of Wickard v Filburn are again seen. --

If Filburn had not threshed his grain, he would not have been liable for the tax.

IOW, the rationale for the case, that growing "excess" wheat for home use has an effect on interstate commerce, is at odds with the fact pattern.

The courts are invested in an out-of-constitutional-bounds federal government. They give themselves more power. All three branches are in cahoots against the public.

51 posted on 02/08/2020 1:56:29 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: TexasGator
BTW...I found the website I was referring to.And I was wrong about Alabama and Wyoming...they both got "F".

And I was wrong about New York...they got an A-.

Check it out.

Anti 2nd Amendment

52 posted on 02/08/2020 1:59:26 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (The Rats Can't Get Over The Fact That They Lost A Rigged Election)
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To: Cboldt

Where do you go when SCOTUS is wrong?

Raich, Wickard, etc.


53 posted on 02/08/2020 2:02:58 PM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“IIRC there are no longer two types of LTC...whereas there were two at one time.”

Still in statute but I saw nothing referring to it in the official application.

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131


54 posted on 02/08/2020 2:52:49 PM PST by TexasGator (Z1z)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You can bet the number of crimes committed with AR-15s built on home finished receivers is insignificant, if not immeasurable. And what might be the statistics on crimes being solved because most firearms used in crimes are factory built and the most recent legal owner completed a Form 4473 & was NICSed?


55 posted on 02/08/2020 5:53:05 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I'm a nationalist.I'm white.Does that mean I'm racist?)
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To: gandalftb
Be sure to ask those folks at the NRA why they haven’t done it??

Exactly.

A general rule that folks often forget is, "Be careful what you ask for!" If you take a case to the high court and lose, guess what? You've just strengthened the opposition's hand.

And that rule applies to the legal definition of firearms receivers, also. You see folks crowing about how "a lower isn't the receiver!" Well, guess what? The government will at some point be more than happy to redefine a firearm receiver, via legislation or court 'opinion.' And any new definition is likely to be MUCH MORE restrictive than the old one...

56 posted on 02/09/2020 6:59:28 AM PST by Who is John Galt? ("He therefore who may resist, must be allowed to strike.")
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