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U.S. Navy Swaps Sub for Destroyer in 2021 Budget Request Shift
gCaptain ^ | February 6, 2020 | Tony Capaccio

Posted on 02/06/2020 2:55:21 PM PST by artichokegrower

The Pentagon is bolstering the number of warships the Navy will seek in its fiscal 2021 budget request after the White House complained an initial proposal was too low to meet President Donald Trump’s long-term target, according to officials.

In the budget proposal expected Monday, the Navy will request funding for eight ships, up from seven in a draft service request in mid-December. The new request for the fiscal year starting Oct. 1 includes two DDG-51 Arleigh Burke destroyers built by General Dynamics Corp., one more than the service proposed seeking in the December draft.

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The funding shift likely won’t sit well with Armed Services Democrats Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Tim Kaine of Virginia. The Virginia-class submarine is made jointly in Connecticut and Virginia by General Dynamics and Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc.


Where were you two during the impeachment process? Sometimes you mess with the bull and you get the horn.

1 posted on 02/06/2020 2:55:21 PM PST by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

Libs love military spending....just not our military.


2 posted on 02/06/2020 3:05:04 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: artichokegrower

I really think we need a large number of non-nuclear submarines. Nuclear subs are colossally expensive and they can only be one place at a time. I read you can have several battery powered subs for the cost of one nuclear sub. Yes, they are less powerful, but more of them. As Stalin said, “Quantity is a quality all its own.”


3 posted on 02/06/2020 3:05:15 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: artichokegrower

Actually, it looks like they lacked the funding to build a Virginia Class Sub after Congress raided the budget to increase funding our Nuclear Weapons security and maintenance. They still had enough for a DDG. I would have been fine spending that money on border security, but a new DDG is good too.


4 posted on 02/06/2020 3:09:19 PM PST by ETCM
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Cut funding to planned parenthood and some other Dem crap and build both. More is better.


5 posted on 02/06/2020 3:13:08 PM PST by Equine1952
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To: Gen.Blather
I read you can have several battery powered subs for the cost of one nuclear sub.

We don’t have the manning - but unmanned subs are probably just around the corner - you could stay underwater without oxygen for a long period of time

6 posted on 02/06/2020 3:17:42 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: Equine1952

And foreign aid to many many places.


7 posted on 02/06/2020 3:19:00 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: 11th_VA

“... but unmanned subs are probably just around the corner”

I agree. But I am not at all happy about a computer or AI having the authority to fire weapons at people.


8 posted on 02/06/2020 3:20:28 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: ETCM

Maybe put the new DDG on the Rio Grande River.


9 posted on 02/06/2020 3:22:25 PM PST by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

interesting!


10 posted on 02/06/2020 3:24:02 PM PST by Loud Mime ("Now, go and do your duty before darkness covers the earth." Michael Uhlmann (1939 - 2019))
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To: Gen.Blather

“...you can have several battery powered subs...”
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Wind or solar?


11 posted on 02/06/2020 3:25:22 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life)
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To: Loud Mime

“I am calling today for a House Select Committee to investigate and move forward with impeachment proceedings against the President. I reached this decision with sadness, but also anger, after the President has repeatedly broken laws and betrayed his oath of office. His seeking corrupt assistance from a foreign leader for personal political gain crosses the line. This illegal misuse of the presidency for private benefit is an impeachable act. This most recent lawbreaking follows three years of contemptuous disregard for the Constitution. The Congress must demand accountability. The values and norms of our democracy are precious and vulnerable and they depend on people fighting for them in times of adversity. At this moment, the threat to the rule of law and our democracy has reached a new height and requires all of us to step forward.”

Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-CT)

No submarine for you and your shipyard in Connecticut.


12 posted on 02/06/2020 3:28:36 PM PST by artichokegrower
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To: artichokegrower

I dunno but think I’d go with another sub v 2surface


13 posted on 02/06/2020 3:29:23 PM PST by A strike ( Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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The Navy desperately needs a “half Arleigh Burke” Frigate.

4,000 ton class. 12nm range. Aegis. 48-60 VLS tubes and a 5in gun.

Yeah, add in CIWS, SUBROC and SRAM.

For half the $3.5bil cost of a Burke. Or less.

And we need 50 of them.

Just like we need about 25 AIP conventional subs.

And we need them all quickly. Or we’ll find we have the 2nd biggest Navy and we’ll be at risk in the Pacific theater.


14 posted on 02/06/2020 3:31:19 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: artichokegrower

Nah! Go ahead and build the boat and name it after the guy that kicks the jerk who wrote that speech’s ass.


15 posted on 02/06/2020 3:32:19 PM PST by Equine1952
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To: Repeal The 17th

“Wind or solar?”

Solid cell nuclear batteries, (charging systems) similar to what satellites use. There are chemical reaction recharging systems that are airless and silent. Then there is old fashioned diesel engines.

Swedish diesel subs have apparently been VERY successful in war games against the US Navy.


16 posted on 02/06/2020 3:34:48 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: artichokegrower

The funding shift likely won’t sit well with Armed Services Democrats Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut and Tim Kaine of Virginia. The Virginia-class submarine is made jointly in Connecticut and Virginia by General Dynamics and Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc.

The Destroyers are also jointly made by General Dynamics and Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc. They build them in Maine and Mississippi.


17 posted on 02/06/2020 3:40:39 PM PST by Steven Scharf
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The reason we don’t have diesel boats is range, speed and detectability. Diesel boats are relatively short legged, must come up regularly to snorkel and are strategically easier to track. They’re useful in defense of a single point or limited area these days, but a nuclear boat is overall a better choice.

If we sent a diesel boat to Japan, everyone in orbit would know where it was going.


18 posted on 02/06/2020 3:40:47 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Steven Scharf

I forgot to note that Maine is home to Senator Susan Collins and Mississippi has Roger Wicker (R) and Cindy Hyde-Smith (R).

See a pattern here.


19 posted on 02/06/2020 3:42:52 PM PST by Steven Scharf
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To: Mariner

Ummm, that’s what the Navy is hastily doing with the FFGX program, dude. They’re desperately looking for an off-the-shelf frigate design to mass produce now that the LCS has turned out to be a big floating box (in two designs) of fail at being a frigate. They are biasing it more towards air defense, though.

The intent is to buy the first one this year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFG(X)


20 posted on 02/06/2020 3:43:34 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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