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U.K. Moves to End Sales of All Non-Electric Cars by 2035
popular mechanics via malaysia news yahoo ^ | 6 February 2020 | Mike Duff

Posted on 02/06/2020 11:41:18 AM PST by RomanSoldier19

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To: RomanSoldier19

Chances are that by 2035 no one will remember these idiotic promises anyway.

That’s the way politicians operate. All of them. Let me repeat: ALL of them.


21 posted on 02/06/2020 12:08:15 PM PST by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building.)
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To: Sergio

Will their military run on electricity too?


22 posted on 02/06/2020 12:08:23 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: RomanSoldier19

So the UK is betting battery technology will drastically change so they are made of something okay for the environment, cheap, and readily available. Okay; I hope that works out.

The UK, being a relatively small place in comparison to Europe or the USA, could get away with a 300 mile charge except for work vehicles making deliveries unless that battery tech also means a 5 minute fast bump charge at readily available e-ports.

Time will tell but I predict we will be using gas engine cars as e-cars are phased in for at least 30 more years. Low income people can’t afford any new car worth much and that’s not going to change. Then there’s the replacement cost of a new battery bank which can cost up to $10k; another cost not affordable to low income people.

Then there’s the car aficionados who love their gas and diesel engine cars, trucks, Jeeps, etc.

I do see one possibility that will make the transition more palatable; kits that make existing vehicles into an e-vehicle. An entire industry could be built on that alone and would not create the problem of massive salvage and recycle yards full of today’s gas and diesel vehicles.

Lastly; the massive load increase on the power grid would have to be addressed as well.


23 posted on 02/06/2020 12:08:29 PM PST by Boomer ('Democrat' is now synonymous with 'corrupt')
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To: RomanSoldier19

What is the greatest distance between any two points on that island?


24 posted on 02/06/2020 12:09:02 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: Boomer

Loading... they probably won’t have considered that problem until the last minute and a massive tax will be necessary to upgrade the grid. By that time everyone will be desperate.


25 posted on 02/06/2020 12:12:34 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: RomanSoldier19

Lucas Electrics used to recharge vehicles....YIKES!


26 posted on 02/06/2020 12:19:11 PM PST by Mashood
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To: samtheman

US-sold EV manufacturers stipulate supply chain morality. If their supplier is caught using “child labor” etc, supplier is cut off.


27 posted on 02/06/2020 12:20:38 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Democrats oppose democracy.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

This is shocking.


28 posted on 02/06/2020 12:21:47 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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Title: U.K. Moves to End Sales of All Non-Electric Cars by 2035

Why not? ALL of their automotive industry is owned by China, Germany and India. There are no UK auto manufacturers anymore.

29 posted on 02/06/2020 12:22:51 PM PST by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was blind but now I see...)
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To: RomanSoldier19

Why not? You can WALK across that country in a day.


30 posted on 02/06/2020 12:25:36 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Epstein pulled a Carradine, the bozo.)
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To: Boomer

“Then there’s the replacement cost of a new battery bank which can cost up to $10k; another cost not affordable to low income people.”

Not really an issue.

Lifespan of EV batteries are getting long enough that replacement isn’t a concern - at least compared to the point where an ICE pretty much self-destructs (>250,000 miles). Tesla is about to announce a major battery breakthrough, indications are battery will last over a million miles (>80% original capacity remaining at that point).

Costs are plummeting too. Replacement battery for a Nissan Leaf 2011-2015 is $5500 ... quite comparable (or better than) cost of repairing an ICE at about the same age/wear. Given that few parts ever need replacing in an EV, that’s cheap. And at that price, vs the price of used Leafs, just go buy a used Leaf with 50,000 miles on it.


31 posted on 02/06/2020 12:28:49 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Democrats oppose democracy.)
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To: Boomer

“the massive load increase on the power grid would have to be addressed as well.”

Yes, there is an increase. If adoption can be staged appropriately, grid owners will have time to upgrade.

Load will look something like every home running a hairdryer 24/7. Not trivial, but not overwhelming either.

This load increase likely matches the decrease due to widespread adoption of low-power lighting and other high-efficiency electric products. Yes I’d expect the grid need an upgrade, but not a massive one.

In addition, seems a good reason to normalize expanding use of home solar. If you can, on the whole, power your car via roof panels that’s better in many ways. Don’t need a full-blown system up there, just a big enough “bucket” to buffer whatever PVs one can install. I see this as good not for “green” reasons, but for self-sufficiency.


32 posted on 02/06/2020 12:33:58 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Democrats oppose democracy.)
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To: Boomer

“kits that make existing vehicles into an e-vehicle.”

I’ve seen references to such kits being available. Not sure how desirable they actually are, but surely there’s a market for such. Did know one guy looking at putting an EV engine in his Jeep.


33 posted on 02/06/2020 12:35:44 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Democrats oppose democracy.)
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To: RomanSoldier19

The environmental impact from electric cars is far worse than gas powered cars. And it will always be so with anything even close to today’s battery technology. And electric cars are close to useless in cold climates.


34 posted on 02/06/2020 12:38:39 PM PST by Revel
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Smart fuel stations will begin installing high-power chargers NOW. Revenue will drop (powering an EV costs about 1/4 equivalent ICE; people will normally charge at home), but operating costs will plummet too - and may be offset by providing more “I have to wait >15 minutes” profitable distractions.


35 posted on 02/06/2020 12:38:48 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Democrats oppose democracy.)
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To: Boomer
So the UK is betting battery technology will drastically change so they are made of something okay for the environment, cheap, and readily available. Okay; I hope that works out.

But what is the point?

Change for change's sake?

Worship of the weird weather religion?

Inquiring minds want to know!

36 posted on 02/06/2020 12:41:17 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: Revel

Look for Tesla’s “Battery Day” in a couple months. Rumblings are million-mile / 20-year battery packs, with double the power density and significantly reduced costs.


37 posted on 02/06/2020 12:42:05 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Democrats oppose democracy.)
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Not really an issue.

Lifespan of EV batteries are getting long enough that replacement isn’t a concern - at least compared to the point where an ICE pretty much self-destructs (>250,000 miles). Tesla is about to announce a major battery breakthrough, indications are battery will last over a million miles (>80% original capacity remaining at that point).

Costs are plummeting too. Replacement battery for a Nissan Leaf 2011-2015 is $5500 ... quite comparable (or better than) cost of repairing an ICE at about the same age/wear. Given that few parts ever need replacing in an EV, that’s cheap. And at that price, vs the price of used Leafs, just go buy a used Leaf with 50,000 miles on it.

If what you say is correct, (there seems to be a fair amount of speculation), you do not need government mandates, the market will do it all without mandates.

The numbers you give seem very far from reality. $5,500 for an engine overhaul? Not even close.

A million miles on a Tesla battery? I hope it is true, but would be a major battery breakthrough.

38 posted on 02/06/2020 12:46:33 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: ctdonath2; All
Look for Tesla’s “Battery Day” in a couple months. Rumblings are million-mile / 20-year battery packs, with double the power density and significantly reduced costs.

I have seen/read/heard similar claims for decades, only to have them all fall through.

Wonderful if true, a complete game changer.

Color me skeptical.

39 posted on 02/06/2020 12:49:43 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-battery-day-event-date/


40 posted on 02/06/2020 12:55:02 PM PST by ctdonath2 (Democrats oppose democracy.)
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