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Wuhan Coronavirus Looks Increasingly Like a Pandemic, Experts Say
New York Times ^ | Feb 3, 2020 | Donald G. McNeil jr

Posted on 02/02/2020 8:44:49 PM PST by 11th_VA

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To: Pelham

Saw that word intentional in there, and meant to change it to international and didn’t. Thought I had.

Oh well.

Take care.


61 posted on 02/02/2020 11:49:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Time to up our FR Monthlies by 5-10%. You'll < hardly miss it and it will help.)
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To: laplata

“My Grandmother died of the Spanish Flu. My Dad was 5 months old.”

I believe (But I could be wrong) it was the author Anthony Burgess (A Clockwork Orange) whose father spent 4-years in the trenches of WW1 with only one trip home to recuperate from a minor wound. He came back home at Christmas in 1918 to find his wife and older children dead of the Spanish Flu. Anthony (Conceived during the one trip back) was a toddler who had somehow managed to avoid getting the flu.

Needless to say the elder Mr. Burgess was somewhat nuts from then on.


62 posted on 02/03/2020 12:04:13 AM PST by Fai Mao (There is no rule of law in the US until The PIAPS is executed.)
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To: DoughtyOne

My guess is that it is probably acting like a hybrid flu and killing the young and strong. Those are the bugs that scare the CDC.

The normal human flu kills people with weak immune systems, the very young and very old, often by secondary pneumonia.

Hybrid flu kills healthy adults in their prime by cytokine storm and can do it in a hurry. Hybrid flus are a cross between an animal flu and a human flu. This virus is said to also have an animal origin. That’s what makes your immune system go berserk.


63 posted on 02/03/2020 12:21:09 AM PST by Pelham (RIP California, killed by massive immigration)
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To: 11th_VA

I’ve seen videos of villagers and city folk beating those returning to other parts of china from Wuhan. Beating to the ground. So rather than that happen worldwide, and it will, just quarantine the poor slobs. Proper, humane quarantine, not just throwing them in a hole in the ground.


64 posted on 02/03/2020 1:40:19 AM PST by blueplum ( ("...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017))
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To: 11th_VA

bkmk


65 posted on 02/03/2020 3:03:13 AM PST by sauropod (If women are upset at TrumpÂ’s naughty words, who bought 80 million copies of 50 Shades of Grey?)
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To: cba123

“My wife was sort of laughing at me, but is also letting me go...”

I’m in the same boat. Blessed!


66 posted on 02/03/2020 3:42:08 AM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: Karl Spooner

I find it REALLY hard to believe they don’t know how viable this virus is. Take some samples, put them on petri dishes with a stopwatch and a microscope or whatever.

The typical flu strain is viable for 24 hrs. SARS is 48 hours. They aren’t shutting 50+ million people in their homes if this is dead in two hours and only had killed 200 people when they shut things down.

The German guy was “cured” (I can’t recall if he went to the hospital and was treated, or he just felt better). He went back to work because he was feeling better. And he infected more people. This doesn’t sound like a wimpy virus.


67 posted on 02/03/2020 3:49:47 AM PST by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Another point, always glossed over by gloom and doomers, is that the CFR right now is based almost solely on hospitalized patients. For perspective, the CFR for influenza when only looking at hospitalized influenza patients is 8% - 15%. There are likely tens if not hundreds of thousands mild nCoV cases...leaving the true CFR at a fraction of what the media (and many on here) keep hyping.


68 posted on 02/03/2020 4:14:09 AM PST by tatown
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To: BobL

Pandemics are NEVER a problem ... until they are ...


69 posted on 02/03/2020 4:33:46 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Dennis M.

If this breaks out worse here in the states it will bankrupt Medicare.


70 posted on 02/03/2020 4:47:56 AM PST by oldasrocks (Heavily Medicated for your Protection.)
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To: Dennis M.
the actual number is higher because with the 17K infected it still needs to play out.

Or the actual number is lower because of untracked cases.

71 posted on 02/03/2020 5:19:10 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: 11th_VA

Communism is a pandemic that’s killed more people than this virus ever will.


72 posted on 02/03/2020 5:19:56 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: DannyTN
We don't know how many untracked cases there are in China. If there aren't very many, i.e. the 17k number is accurate, then the virulence is low, doesn't spread easily. We are started to track that outside of China, so we'll get a better idea soon.

But if the virulency is high, then there are a lot more untracked cases and a lot lower mortality. That's because the virus has been spreading for 8 weeks. 8 weeks would allow a million cases of flu.

73 posted on 02/03/2020 5:24:03 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: DoughtyOne
So far, out of that group, one person has died. That’s 1 out of 183.

That's the good news. The bad news is that he was 44 years old. I am waiting for the same thing you are, better numbers from outside of China. Inside it's hard to believe the case numbers or, to a lesser extent, mortality numbers. I suspect there is some unreported mortality. But I also thing there are many more unreported cases which means mortality could be lower than 2%, possibly a lot lower.

74 posted on 02/03/2020 5:26:55 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: NorseViking
Antibiotics do not work against viruses, says WHO

"Antibiotics do not work against viruses, only bacteria," the WHO said on its official website, noting that as it was a virus, antibiotics were not effective in preventing or treating it, reports Xinhua news agency...

75 posted on 02/03/2020 5:30:18 AM PST by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

There is Captain Obvious in NWO.


76 posted on 02/03/2020 5:31:57 AM PST by NorseViking
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To: Pelham
My guess is that it is probably acting like a hybrid flu and killing the young and strong. Those are the bugs that scare the CDC.

Expert opinion is that those deaths were preventable

However, healthcare providers, medical experts, and published data from the 1918 period suggest that most deaths were caused by secondary bacterial pneumonias
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2600384/

77 posted on 02/03/2020 5:33:01 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: 11th_VA

See link in my previous post. It suggests antibiotics would have saved a lot of people in 1918-19


78 posted on 02/03/2020 5:34:17 AM PST by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: ExSES

A virus isn’t a living germ. It’s a bound-up chemical, against which an antibiotic is useless.


79 posted on 02/03/2020 5:34:42 AM PST by Does so (...Democrats only believe in democracy when they win the election...)
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To: DannyTN

I bet what we are seeing is Coronavirus here in the US and we just didn’t know it, that’s why the flu is so bad this year


80 posted on 02/03/2020 5:35:54 AM PST by GulfMan
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