Posted on 02/02/2020 2:10:41 PM PST by janetjanet998
There are currently 16,768 confirmed cases worldwide, including 361 fatalities
Two random thoughts I had, earlier today....
Nail salons....these days, mostly employ folks from Vietnam. These people tend to travel home, for a month at a time, once/year. They fly back to USA on flights that connect w/China flights. When I did go to a (nice, btw) nail salon, it seemed like one of the techs was always out, on a trip back to homeland.
Airport bathrooms....even if you’re NOT flying on a flight that originated, or connected with a China flight....you could use a restroom stall that someone who DID fly that flight, just used.
U.S. is sending additional planes this week to Hubei Province/China to evacuate Americans. Those passengers will be taken to four DOD sites, which will be staffed with CDC personnel.
There’s a lot of other stuff in wastewater to worry about more (in wastewater) ...
Somewhat related (long read):
https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/484899
Among many other things, viruses don’t like sunlight.
03 Feb - 11:47:42 AM [RTRS] - U.S. CDC SAYS ADDS FOUR MORE AIRPORTS FOR SCREENING OF CORONAVIRUS - TELEBRIEFING
I don’t even want to know what lives in Chinese sewers. Calif inherited their wharf rats and they’re nasty critters. Makes lab rats look like cuddly mice. (and my vote is on rats as the unknown vector - those open market stalls are just too tempting for mr. wharf rat who craps and urinates where he eats and on what he eats).
Here, probably rats, possums, mice, snakes, alligators, nutria, roaches, mosquitoes, flies, bugs, lizards, although CV is supposed to prefer mammals. There is aeration of treatment ponds, either mechanical or static or both. Most I’ve ever seen are open and occasionally used by ducks and other birds until the fowl realize there’s no fish to be had.
But not to worry - China makes all the vaccines and viricides and...wait... uh oh
Aren’t those just the most severe, hospital-treated cases?
1st known case on a cruise ship
CNBC Now
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Cruise stocks drop as Carnival Corp.’s Princess line confirms that a passenger on a previous voyage tested positive for coronavirus on February 1st.
https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1224377170178592769
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he tested positive in Hong Kong 6 days after the cruise
Uh-oh
unbelievable
U.S. CDC SAYS U.S. STILL NEGOTIATING WITH CHINA ON OFFER TO SEND U.S. EXPERTS TO HELP WITH CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK - TELEBRIEFING
Negotiating?? NEGOTIATING???
This isn’t a trade deal, these are U.S. citizens we’re talking about.
Is a virus still considered infectious @ “T99.9”? I guess that would have to depend on the initial titer?
Or, perhaps a better question is, how many virus particles (2019-nCoV being the latest of interest) does it take to infect an average human and cause disease (or even break this down into various “classes” of immune system capability and disease level, carrier capability, and so on)? The problem with any “novel” virus being that such studies take time.
Isn’t there another factor: If you have T99.9 (for example), are the remaining particles (even if there are a lot of them due to an initial high titer) likely to still be infectious? Or are they degraded enough to not successfully replicate?
I suppose if I had all day to search - which I don’t!
Related / interesting, but regarding viruses in food:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/food-science/virus-infectivity
Problem is, if China objects to something, it has to be worked out, or we can’t even send our experts over at all. So then you have a balance of how much they think they need our experts* vs. OUR need to get more hands on info.
*”Face” and pride are likely involved on their side too, I imagine, and there may be presumption on ours, tho’ one would hope to a lesser degree. I think (actually have some experience with this in a different area) both the US and Chinese researchers would have little problem working together as long as industrial or state secrets were not involved. Some bureaucrats and pols...? Keep in mind that for China’s leaders, admission of needing help from a rival could be fatal itself.
The 80-year-old man flew to Japan and boarded the ship, the ***Diamond Princess**** run by Carnival Japan Inc, in Yokohama on ***Jan 20**** and disembarked on Jan. 25, NHK public broadcaster said.
He developed a cough the day before embarking but did not develop a fever until Jan. 30, a day before he was confirmed to have the virus in Hong Kong, NHK reported.
(how many 80yo’ds go on cruises by themselves? A lot? Another one who hid his cough? What airline did he fly to Japan on?)
https://macro.economicblogs.org/zerohedge/2020/02/durden-ship-carnival-admits-coronavirus-6/
Add "IP" to that.
Any updsates on those folks?
Question is if the mutation strengthens or weakens it.
What about the thousands who were stuck on the Italian cruise ship, after two suspected Coronavirus cases?
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