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Is It Fair to Award Scholarships Based on the SAT? Colleges are asking this question as they seek more diversity in their student bodies, worry that white students disproportionately score higher and compete for students with merit aid
Wall Street Journal ^ | February 2, 2020 | Douglas Belkin

Posted on 02/02/2020 10:35:07 AM PST by karpov

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To: bboop

Mostly the SAT isn’t about hard work.


61 posted on 02/02/2020 2:55:54 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Sequoyah101

Unfortunately, yes.


62 posted on 02/02/2020 2:57:14 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: boxlunch

Engineering and most of the hard sciences can be learned online. Doctors, nurses, etc., are the ones who need some physical lab classes.


63 posted on 02/02/2020 2:58:23 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I would suggest that the rightward hump has to do with Lizzy’s cousins—the ones who heard that some ancestor had high cheek bones.


64 posted on 02/02/2020 3:00:01 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: karpov

This is hilarious. It’s like asking the question, “Should people be rewarded based on their merit, or the color of their skin?” College administrators have no idea at all that they’re racists.


65 posted on 02/02/2020 3:01:54 PM PST by swjslj (Leftist pollsters LIE!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
It is unjust to do otherwise.

66 posted on 02/02/2020 3:03:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: karpov

Diversity is perversity.


67 posted on 02/02/2020 3:15:50 PM PST by fwdude (Poverty is nearly always a mindset, which canÂ’t be cured by cash.)
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To: karpov

A college degree is worth a small fraction of what it used to be worth because they will take virtually anyone who wants to apply.

I saw this first hand as a college tutor. Grown men who couldn’t even do simple arithmetic and who didn’t know a noun from an expletive.


68 posted on 02/02/2020 3:21:37 PM PST by fwdude (Poverty is nearly always a mindset, which canÂ’t be cured by cash.)
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To: Jim Noble
The SAT is an IQ test, straight up.

Not quite. The SAT assesses a a broad base of subject MATTER knowledge, stuff you should have learned the first 10 or so grades of school.

IQ assesses aptitude for learning, for creative thinking outside of a box, independent of substantive subject matter.

69 posted on 02/02/2020 3:25:16 PM PST by fwdude (Poverty is nearly always a mindset, which canÂ’t be cured by cash.)
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To: karpov
"Is It Fair to Award Scholarships Based on the SAT? Colleges are asking this question as they seek more diversity in their student bodies, worry that white students disproportionately score higher and compete for students with merit aid"

An even better question is it fair to give scholarships and admission based on ones race and ethnicity?

Ps
When I went to pharmacy school all were admitted based on academic ability. Most were white, about 15 percent were of other ethnics. It should be noted that the orientals were the most excellent students.

70 posted on 02/02/2020 3:26:25 PM PST by cpdiii ( canecutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: karpov

Bookmarked to read. I did really well on my SATs. Did really well in college, too. No scholarships from SATs, however.


71 posted on 02/02/2020 3:37:43 PM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: cpdiii

Forgot to add this. I worked for a black pharmacist for twenty years in a hospital. I had been management in the past and hated it. I want back to staff under my black friend as my boss. By his skills he most deserved his position and he was my friend. I think this is they way it is supposed to work. In my many years working for this man and friendship with him the subject of race never came up once with one exception. I had my DNA tested and found out I was slightly less that one percent black. I went to his office and told him of the results. I asked him, “can I now call you Bro.? We both laughed our ass off and just went back to work.


72 posted on 02/02/2020 3:47:30 PM PST by cpdiii ( canecutter, deckhand, roughneck, geologist, pilot, pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR)
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To: karpov

More benighted hand-wringing from more knee-jerk Lefties


73 posted on 02/02/2020 4:34:24 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Magnatron

Sounds familiar.

I think we need diversity in sports. Let’s give all the people a shot at it and let’s change the rules so they don’t get hurt by the neanderthals.


74 posted on 02/02/2020 4:57:59 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (We are governed by the consent of the governed and we are fools for allowing it.)
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To: Engedi
Lot of kids graduating from HS today who enter college and have to retake math, english pre college courses and pass in order to take the college level courses.

Same was true when I started college in 1963.

75 posted on 02/02/2020 5:15:52 PM PST by Abby4116
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To: karpov

Yeah, let’s just put the names in the two hats, the white male hat and the Minority hat and then draw 1:5 respectively. /sarc


76 posted on 02/02/2020 6:10:13 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: karpov

diversity is something that happens in your goal to excellence.

Excellence does not happen in the goal of diversity.


77 posted on 02/02/2020 7:03:39 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Steely Tom

Of course everyone wants a doctor who graduated bottom of his class and scored super low on the sat


78 posted on 02/02/2020 7:44:19 PM PST by faturism ( epro)
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To: AbnSarge

The only real path they earned from all of their hard work was acceptance to several top universities.

My son was accepted to Purdue, Michigan, Princeton, and Georgia Tech, and wait listed at Cornell. He chose Purdue because they had the degree program for astronautical engineering that he wanted.

My daughter was accepted to Purdue, Penn State, Georgia Tech, and Virginia Tech. She chose Purdue because her brother was going there (they are only a year apart and very close). Like yours, she earned a degree in biomedical engineering.

Off all of those schools, none offered scholarships. Princeton came the closest by saying to us: “If you can’t afford to go to Princeton, you’ll go to Princeton.” I think if they based the criteria on that, we would have been excluded anyway. I never thought I’d see anyone turn down Princeton, but my son did hands down. Purdue had the program he wanted, and it’s paid off for his aspirations.


79 posted on 02/02/2020 7:45:07 PM PST by Magnatron
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To: karpov

I was awarded a National Merit Scholarship in high school. Let me go to a nice school and get an engineering degree.

My kids will never get that chance, because they are white.


80 posted on 02/02/2020 8:08:13 PM PST by redgolum (If this culture today is civilization, I will be the barbarian.)
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