Extended chain of human-to-human spread seen in Germany

The Hindu ^ | February 1, 2020 | R. Prasad

[familyop]

The case of a German adult who acquired novel coronavirus infection locally in Munich from a Chinese who hails from Shanghai is the second reported case of a person human-to-human transmission the incubation period...It also reports the first known case of fourth-generation transmission (assuming that the infection was transmitted to the Chinese lady by a close contact) of the novel virus outside China...Even more sobering is the fact that persons recovering from illness can have huge viral load. This raises “concern about prolonged shedding of the virus even after recovery,” writes Dr. Camilla Rothe, who is the first and corresponding author from University Hospital LMU Munich, Munich, Germany.

[familyop]

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[Jonty30]

That suggests that this is no ordinary virus. It’s virulency is potentially very dangerous.

I may have to stop hugging you guys.

[21twelve]

And in the article about the Seattle guy, he had come into contact with about 10(?) people upon his return to Seattle and none of them show symptoms. He said when he was in Wuhan he didn’t visit the market and had not come into contact with anyone sick.

[datura]

He had 16 contacts returning from the airport on public transportation. The local news says he is able to talk - which tells me he is off of the ventilator? He’s in his 30s with no underlying health issues, but is still in the hospital after 11 days.

[21twelve]

Thanks for that accurate number. I suppose some of them might get it, but interesting how this guy didn’t seem to spread it much, and the German case is spreading.

Below is the article posted by blueplum on another thread regarding the improving Seattle guy.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/first-case-of-coronavirus-in-us-patient-got-pneumonia-but-now-only-has-cough-study-says/ar-BBZwX7O?ocid=spartanntp

I’m really surprised, and glad, that there haven’t been any other cases reported in the Seattle area.

[sauropod]

bkmk

[Jim Noble]

The Seattle patient was treated with remdesivir as soon as he developed pneumonia and he promptly improved.

I don’t know if Gilead kept the license and I don’t know how fast they could tool up to produce it, but I bet they’re working on it.

[Thunder 6]

Well, this was a surprise to see with my morning coffee. I’m fairly far away from Munich, but Germany is a pretty small place when it comes to transportation (autobahn, rail, etc...). Guess I’d better start paying attention.

[blueplum]

Canada cases: husband/wife
CBC News - Canada - husband released to home monitoring nothing in this report on the wife, tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY8UGuvVmDM

[PIF]

“Even more sobering is the fact that persons recovering from illness can have huge viral load. This raises “concern about prolonged shedding of the virus even after recovery,”

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translate into layman speak, anyone?

[EEGator]

I think it means after you’re okay from being sick, you can still get others sick.

[Malsua]

I think it means after you’re okay from being sick, you can still get others sick.

That's exactly what it means.

In a larger context it means actively ill and recovered people can still infect others. I also read that some people become carriers, with no sign of infection. If this thing also stays alive on surfaces up to 4 hours as I've seen before, spreads by aerosols(and it appears to) , it is going to spread and spread and continue to spread. Lets hope they can get a vaccine spun up before it takes root here.

[21twelve]

My daughter used to carry the strep virus. Rarely showed symptoms, but the rest of the kids would kid it. Her doctor figured it out on the third time. Called her “Typhoid Mary”.

The standard flu virus is viable for 24 hours on a hard surface. The SARS virus for 48 hours. They are still trying to figure this one out. Although I’m guessing they have figured it out - but aren’t telling anybody. Some reports say it is viable 3-6 days or more!!??? I don’t know about that, but I’m almost positive it isn’t just for two hours.

The HIV virus was the lowest number that I found - but it was still something like 4 hours.

[null and void]

Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

If a quarantine saves just one child's life, it's worth it.

[Malsua]

Strep carrier. Oooh. Not good! I was a sorta a Mono carrier. My numbers were off the charts high(had to be retested twice, they thought it was error) but I was just starting to become symptomatic. A week later I was out of commission for about a month. 18-20 hours of sleep a day.

The HIV virus was the lowest number that I found - but it was still something like 4 hours.

HIV cannot survive outside of a host fluid for more than a few seconds. This means if you can't see it, it's not surviving.

In dried or partially dried blood, semen, etc. it can last significantly longer, like 5 days.

Most flu and common cold type viruses are also subject to the same rules, but can last much longer than HIV. Hours, rather than seconds. As to Novel Corona, no one is sure yet, but you can expect it to be as much as a regular flu virus.

[BobL]

“He’s in his 30s with no underlying health issues, but is still in the hospital after 11 days.”

So much for this bug only severely affecting the elderly and/or people with compromised immune systems.

[21twelve]

One list had a bunch of patients in the range of 30 to 50 years old.

[palmer]

The 33-year-old man who contracted the virus lives near Starnberg, 30 kilometers (18 miles) south of Munich, and is in a "medically good state," according to the health authority.

That's very vague. But I'm going to assume for the moment that a healthy 33 year old has low risk. That was not the case in 1918-1919 but most fatalities back then could have been prevented with antibiotics as they were secondary bacterial pneumonia.

Also we still don't know how easily this is spread. He got it from his Chinese colleague. But with only 12k confirmed cases in China there are probably a lot more unconfirmed cases after 8 weeks. But we just don't know yet.

[palmer]

He's in a "medically good state" according to the authorities. Most likely they will keep him because they aren't sure about virus shedding after recovery.