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1 posted on 01/31/2020 6:28:09 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

And therefore the 2nd refers only to muskets, not AR-15s, right? Still having coffee, perhaps I read this wrong?


2 posted on 01/31/2020 6:42:53 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: Kaslin

But Auras, Penumbras and Emanations -APEs for short.


3 posted on 01/31/2020 6:46:34 AM PST by Timocrat (Ingnorantia non excusat)
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To: Kaslin
Not only is Freedom of the press NOT restricted to the profession of journalism - it's not restricted to that which can be produced by a printing machine, either.

That's like saying Freedom of speech is restricted to only that which can be spoken through a microphone.

It simply means Freedom of the spoken and the written word.

4 posted on 01/31/2020 6:46:52 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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To: Kaslin
I've been saying this for a long time.

Here is an older post of mine that expresses my thoughts on that.


I think the notion that "freedom of the press" refers to the trade of journalism is incorrect. Usage of the phrase "the press" to refer to newspapermen didn't originate until the early 1900s.

The origins of the first amendment reference to "freedom of the press" literally refers to the machine, the printing press.

All the rights of individuals in the first amendment should be taken together as different sides of the same concept:

  • "abridging the freedom of speech" quite literally meant speech as far as crowds of people could hear you. It's the proverbial person standing on a soapbox in the town square shouting his opinions to others.
  • "the right of the people to peaceably assemble" means literally to stand together and hear a speaker speak. During colonial British rule, a group of people seen together in public would be suspected as being conspirators against the Crown. Free speech does no good if the People aren't allowed to congregate to hear you.
  • "freedom of the press" meant the right of anyone to publish. Spoken word only traveled as far as one could hear it. Printing one's thoughts and distributing them across the colonies extended the reach of thought, and therefore, its influence.
  • "the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances" meant using the freedoms of speech, press, and assembly to call out when the federal government exceeded its Constitutional authority.

"Journalism," or "the press" as they like to refer to themselves, is an amalgam of these rights. It's an industry that uses free speech and free press to report on the activities of government through the way government interacts with and impacts the people, as well as reporting on the assemblies of people with each other.

But ultimately, freedom of the press is the peoples' right to publish, not the Washington Post's right to special protections. If this judge is saying that the Washington Post has a right to publish innuendo and smear, then we ALL do.


Follow-up thoughts with links:


The origin of the term "the press" to refer to periodicals and journalism generally (see also the so-called Fourth Estate) didn't begin until the 1800s. The usage in reference specifically to reporters and journalists collectively didn't begin until the early 1900s.

At the time of the Framers of the Constitution, "the press" meant the printing press, and "freedom of the press" meant the right of citizens to publish, sharing their thoughts, opinions, and beliefs beyond the range of simple speech in a town square. Many examples of this were "citizen journalists," journaling the goings on in their communities, and sharing opinions on them with the other colonies.

"Freedom of the press" was meant to ban the federal government from stopping Americans from mass communicating, not to enshrine a special class of "journalists" as watchdogs over the government. All citizens were watchdogs, just as we do here on Free Republic.



Benjamin Franklin's thoughts on freedom of the press, from the same linked thread:


What's interesting in Franklin's original piece is that the "court" he is referring to is the so-called court of public opinion.

The "press" is not a class of journalists as it is known today; it was the citizen journalist who had something to say. Quoting Franklin:

In whose favor and for whose emolument this court is established. In favor of about one citizen in 500, who by education, or practice in scribbling, has acquired a tolerable stile as to grammar and construction so as to bear printing; or who is possessed of a press and a few types. This 500th part of the citizens have the privilege of accusing and abusing the other 499 parts, at their pleasure; or they may hire out their pens and press to others for that purpose...

It is not by any Commission from the Supreme Executive Council, who might previously judge of the abilities, integrity, knowledge, &c. of the persons to be appointed to this great trust, of deciding upon the characters and good fame of the citizens; for this court is above that council, and may accuse, judge, and condemn it, at pleasure. Nor is it hereditary, as in the court of dernier resort, in the peerage of England. But any man who can procure pen, ink, and paper, with a press, and a huge pair of BLACKING balls, may commissionate himself: And his court is immediately established in the plenary possession and exercise of its rights.


-PJ
6 posted on 01/31/2020 6:55:56 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: Kaslin
I have actually made this argument to others before in response to their insisting that the 2nd amendment only applies to flintlocks and could not have been intended to apply to modern instruments of mass destruction. My argument would be that freedom of press only applied to 1700's printing presses and could not have possibly been intended to apply to modern instruments of mass communication.

I did not take my own argument seriously but only made it to illustrate the absurdity in their argument against the 2nd amendment. I am assuming that the author here intended to convey the same point.

7 posted on 01/31/2020 7:11:43 AM PST by Armando Guerra
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To: Kaslin

Only means they’re not accountable for any lies or distortions or fake news.


9 posted on 01/31/2020 7:20:47 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Kaslin

Fun concept! Let the effacement begin....


10 posted on 01/31/2020 7:45:23 AM PST by Silentgypsy (Call an addiction hotline and say you're hooked on phonics.)
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