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Containing new coronavirus may not be feasible, experts say, as they warn of possible sustained global spread
Stat was.com ^ | Jan 26, 2020 | By HELEN BRANSWELL

Posted on 01/26/2020 1:26:46 PM PST by 11th_VA

Some infectious disease experts are warning that it may no longer be feasible to contain the new coronavirus circulating in China. Failure to stop it there could see the virus spread in a sustained way around the world and even perhaps join the ranks of respiratory viruses that regularly infect people.

“The more we learn about it, the greater the possibility is that transmission will not be able to be controlled with public health measures,” said Dr. Allison McGeer, a Toronto-based infectious disease specialist who contracted SARS in 2003 and who helped Saudi Arabia control several hospital-based outbreaks of MERS.

If that’s the case, she said, “we’re living with a new human virus, and we’re going to find out if it will spread around the globe.” McGeer cautioned that because the true severity of the outbreak isn’t yet known, it’s impossible to predict what the impact of that spread would be, though she noted it would likely pose significant challenges to health care facilities...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coronavirus
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To: ducttape45
Are we looking at a prelude to a "Planet of the Apes" type infectious disease that'll wipe out 1/3 of the population?

Who knows? The 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic seemed innocent, but killed many millions worldwide, overshadowed by the war dead from WWI. The difference from other flu strains is that instead of targeting babies and elderly for death, it killed healthy young adults. It overwhelmed immune reactions that are strongest in the healthy and killed them, while weaker babies and elderly got sick but survived.

I was reading that it hit Pacific Islanders especially hard with really high percentages of population killed (a third or higher). Meanwhile, American Samoa didn't have any fatalities because the local governor blocked travel into the island - smart move. Authorities here today won't try to stop a spread.

21 posted on 01/26/2020 2:00:58 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Tareli
country of origin, or recent travel if they do not have symptoms of respiratory illness.”

Except it could take 2 weeks to develop symptoms and you've already infected everyone at home, at work, at church, at the store, on the bus, your neighbors and the handyman and the mailman and...

Call the PC police, I made sure the Asian checker wasn't working today at the grocery store.

22 posted on 01/26/2020 2:02:36 PM PST by bgill
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To: foundedonpurpose

The MSM would lime NOTHING MORE than to tank the economy with all of this hysteria another way to rid themselves of Orange Man!!!


23 posted on 01/26/2020 2:04:10 PM PST by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: kingu

With those numbers ... We are so screwed ....


24 posted on 01/26/2020 2:13:34 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

I do think this could be Trump’s biggest test - but I would think he holds enough cards against China; Farmers might really make out big


25 posted on 01/26/2020 2:15:47 PM PST by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA

The addiction to a major global economy is going to kill us all.International air flight may have just destroyed the world.


26 posted on 01/26/2020 2:17:27 PM PST by Revel
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To: foundedonpurpose

The current rate of death is around 2.7%....

If you got that number by dividing total deaths by infected as reported by the Chinese your finding is premature. Both populations are increasing at unknown rates and we don’t really know if the Chinese reporting is accurate.

They need to select a fixed sample population of patients and track the number of recoveries in order to get more reliable fatality rates.


27 posted on 01/26/2020 2:21:29 PM PST by Ceebass (The only thing Orwell got wrong was the date)
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To: ducttape45; roadcat
A similarity to the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic, regarding "cytokine storm" reaction that killed healthy young adults - this excerpt from news out of China.

About a third of the 41 patients needed intensive care, and six of them died. Some of the patients with more serious illnesses suffered from a dangerous immune system overreaction called a cytokine storm, but the researchers said they still did not have a good understanding of how the virus affects the immune system.

28 posted on 01/26/2020 2:24:46 PM PST by roadcat
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To: 11th_VA

29 posted on 01/26/2020 2:24:51 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: john316

“Think andromeda strain, may mutate itself out of existence.”

It might, but does the common cold virus, often another coronavirus, mutate itself out of existence? Maybe it occasionally does, but another cov from another evolutionary branch rapidly takes its place.


30 posted on 01/26/2020 2:32:09 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: Ceebass

Putting the Flu in perspective:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/the-coronavirus-no-need-to-panic.html

Very good comments as well!

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/coronavirus-still-appear-to-be-normal-virus-not-a-biological-weapon/


31 posted on 01/26/2020 2:32:49 PM PST by foundedonpurpose (Praise Hashem, for his restoration of all things!)
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To: 11th_VA

Actually, with those numbers, we’re probably just fine. There was a good sized flu outbreak between 25 NOV 2019 and 25 DEC 2019, quite a lot of it in the United States. It is quite possible that we’ve already had the first wave from this virus and the reason for the (relatively) low infection numbers of confirmed cases that we’re on the third wave of infection.

I don’t know for sure, to be honest, trying to follow infection rates hurts the brain after a very short period of time. The numbers identified in the early January report are just those who showed up at the hospital (and of course, were in the worst shape.)

But in any event, the horse left the barn weeks ago. I just happen to believe that it means infection rates are far lower than some were fearing (and mortality rates even lower.)


32 posted on 01/26/2020 2:36:46 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: roadcat
From what I am reading a cytokine storm isn't a given with this one. Maybe in certain of those patients with comorbid illnesses. If a C. Storm were hitting every patient, they would die quicker and tend to succumb in the suddenly drop dead mode, more than we have seen. I am not medical staff but read a lot during SARS, etc., days.
33 posted on 01/26/2020 2:40:10 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: VanDeKoik

Sars killed 10% of 8,000 cases. Maybe I don’t know “medical math,” but for a “plague,” isn’t that on the low scale?


34 posted on 01/26/2020 2:48:47 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: 11th_VA
Well, well, well! They finally found the magic bullet to bring down the stock market! I wonder if this is a set up by china...just wondering! Don't 🔥!
35 posted on 01/26/2020 2:49:50 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: 11th_VA

It most certainly NOT be contained.
No chance in hell.

But everyone can hope it mutates into a regular cold or something more benign. Or that a miracle vaccine is developed in record time.

Other than that you’re going to catch it eventually.

This will bring down governments everywhere as survivors realize government, with the principal charge of protecting its citizens, failed every step along the way.

And lied at each of those stops too.


36 posted on 01/26/2020 2:50:55 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: 11th_VA

“Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle”

Some of the finest minds in the world.

Listen.


37 posted on 01/26/2020 2:52:27 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: john316

“may mutate itself out of existence”

That’s actually possible with this virus.

Or, mutate to the common cold.

Or into a monster.


38 posted on 01/26/2020 2:54:03 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: 11th_VA

I would never have expected the address of the Biotech Company in China.. 666?

Wuhan HealthCare Biotechnology Co., Ltd.

No. 666, Gaoxin Boulevard, East Lake High-tech Development Zone

Optics Valley Biolake, Building B6, 4/5 Floors,

Hongshan District, Postal Code: 430075

Wuhan City, Hubei Province, P.R. of China.


39 posted on 01/26/2020 2:54:04 PM PST by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: steve86
And if a severe cytokine storm were universal, every patient would need ICU admission for mechanical ventilation, which they don't (all).
40 posted on 01/26/2020 2:55:04 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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