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To: SmokingJoe
What about Obama in 2012 telling the Russian President that he would have more "flexibility" after the election, to ensure that Putin didn't do anything that would hurt his chances for re-election.

The whole farce is based on Schiff and Ciaramella's interpretation of Trump motive in a very brief portion of the conversation with Zelensky.

Trump had legitimate reasons to delay aid--to try to get the Germans to pitch in and help more, to try to ensure a genuine battle against corruption in Ukraine (a country notorious for corruption). That he also thought he could get some political advantage against Biden is just Schiff & Ciaramella's inference...he asked Zelensky to "do us a favor," not "do me a favor."

That Biden was being bribed big time by the Ukrainians while being Obama's point man for Ukraine doesn't bother the Democrats in the least. We are living in an Alice in Wonderland world.

22 posted on 01/23/2020 10:52:25 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Trump had legitimate reasons to delay aid--to try to get the Germans to pitch in and help more, to try to ensure a genuine battle against corruption in Ukraine (a country notorious for corruption). That he also thought he could get some political advantage against Biden is just Schiff & Ciaramella's inference...he asked Zelensky to "do us a favor," not "do me a favor."

Agreed. Another legitimate reason is that Trump may have just wanted to fight corruption in general. Ukraine was a big feeding trough for multiple politicians and their families. This type of stuff has gone on for too long.

That Biden was being bribed big time by the Ukrainians while being Obama's point man for Ukraine doesn't bother the Democrats in the least. We are living in an Alice in Wonderland world.

That sums it up nicely, well said.

67 posted on 01/23/2020 3:09:12 PM PST by chud
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