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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“Apple offers a product that they do not hold the ability to “unlock” because the user alone knows how to unlock it.”

BS

Not only does Apple have the ability, so does NSA. And anyone else with supercompute capability.


15 posted on 01/13/2020 7:43:17 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

BS

Not only does Apple have the ability, so does NSA. And anyone else with supercompute capability.

Well then, the USofA Givernment can unlock the phone themselves...


24 posted on 01/13/2020 7:51:25 PM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0ndRzaz2o)
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To: Mariner

“Apple offers a product that they do not hold the ability to “unlock” because the user alone knows how to unlock it.”
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BS

Not only does Apple have the ability, so does NSA. And anyone else with supercompute capability.
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Right. Then I’m sure NSA will be right on it. /sarc


38 posted on 01/13/2020 8:09:25 PM PST by House Atreides (Boycott the NFL 100% — PERMANENTLY)
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To: Mariner

Yeah, but that costs a fortune.
OK for ‘national security” but far beyond the means of a person in a typical case.
And ‘typical cases’ are what matter in law IMO.

Funny.
Some friends are involved in a ‘typical case’, and everyone wants their phones contents used for evidence!


43 posted on 01/13/2020 8:15:26 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts (M / F) : Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Mariner
Not only does Apple have the ability, so does NSA. And anyone else with supercompute capability.

No, unfortunately neither Apple nor the NSA has that ability, even with the fastest supercomputer extant to date, or even a quantum computer. You obviously do not grasp the nature of single key encryption which is what is used on Apple iOS devices.

256bit AES encryption with a complex key such as an iOS device constructs from the user’s passcode, an internal device ID, a device model ID, and a completely random number generated from environmental variables when the actual encryption key was first generated (also stored in an inaccessible internal Secure Enclave inside the encryption engine) results in a variable length key that can be made up of any of the 223 characters available in the Apple virtual keyboard, and can be as long as 256 characters in length. That’s a huge encryption key. . . and it is NOT stored anywhere on the device where it could be found and read.

That’s means it is possible to have 223256 number of possible keys and only one will decipher the data.

What’s more, Mariner, the system is designed so you must try each key on the device. You have only ten tries before the data is erased. . . completely. No shadow data left to recover.

Using a hypothetical supercomputer that could try and test 50,000 keys per second, checking for readable data with each test, it would require 6.25 X 10195 years to try all possible keys. Let’s multiply the speed of our hypothetical supercomputer by one trillion times. You’d think it would get done a lot faster and you’d be right. It would finish in only 6.25 X 10169 years! This is the problem of very large numbers.

So, maybe we attack the terrorist’s passcode, much simpler. If he’s stupid and has only a four digit numeric code, easy. Even with the built in delays, and we are careful, we can likely get in by defeating the delay system in under an hour. . . That’s the way the San Bernardino terrorist’s IPhone 5s was cracked.

But, I doubt newer iPhones are so easy. In fact, there’s no doubt. That system doesn’t work. Also, if he’s smarter, he’s using a six digit or more. Then, even if you could defeat the time outs and lockouts, you’re talking one million possible with six digits, 100 million with seven, and so on. The time to try grows literally exponentially. If you add in alphanumeric and symbols, it becomes impossible. Again, they have to be tried on the device.

At some point the value of the data becomes not worth the effort.

83 posted on 01/13/2020 9:41:33 PM PST by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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To: Mariner; Swordmaker

Not only does Apple have the ability, so does NSA. And anyone else with supercompute capability.


I believe if you ping Swordmaker, he will tell you in excruciating detail why and how you are completely wrong. As I recall, it would take the best “super computer” centuries to do as you believe - if it were even possible in the first place which it is not.


123 posted on 01/14/2020 2:29:01 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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