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Did NASA know back in 1958 our Sun and not CO2 was causing climate change? (trunc)
The Big Wobble ^ | January 12, 2020

Posted on 01/13/2020 9:28:00 AM PST by all the best

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To: NohSpinZone

“Temperatures rise first, followed by rise in CO2.”

” Wouldn’t it be a hoot if these climate idiots got this correlation completely ass backwards? Or perhaps they are more clever than I give them credit for and they did it on purpose to push their phony green economy agenda? “

In the documentary ‘The great global warming swindle’ Al Gore showed a graph over hundreds of years of temperature and CO2. The audience gasped at the chart showing the 2 running identical lines. Someone in the audience pointed out that the CO2 was following the temp. Not the reverse. His microphone was cut off.


21 posted on 01/13/2020 10:04:07 AM PST by bluescape (Mainstream Media-The guard dog that holds you down while the attacker has his way.)
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To: 75thOVI; Abathar; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AnalogReigns; AndrewC; aragorn; ...
...the records of temperature and CO2 over the past 650,000 years indicate that Earth's temperature always rises first, followed by a rise in Carbon Dioxide.
Thanks all the best. This was verified in ice core data going back 100K years or more (the data, not the research, was over 100K).

22 posted on 01/13/2020 10:07:32 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: all the best

Since that was in my textbooks in the nineteen sixties and seventies I will assume that they knew it.


23 posted on 01/13/2020 10:08:38 AM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: all the best

I could use some warm CO2 right now...

but a flannel shirt and Polar Fleece blanket will have to do.

Or I could get up off my lazy bum and take a hot shower.

I just hate climate change


24 posted on 01/13/2020 10:11:30 AM PST by Gasshog
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To: bluescape
The audience gasped at the chart showing the 2 running identical lines. Someone in the audience pointed out that the CO2 was following the temp. Not the reverse. His microphone was cut off.
That happened because "the debate is over".

25 posted on 01/13/2020 10:12:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: all the best

Hmmm? More like who didn’t understand the sun helped along the natural cycle of things on planet erf? How arrogant these doomer are. When humans time is done, muvver erf will just keep rollin’ along.


26 posted on 01/13/2020 10:14:59 AM PST by rktman ( #My2ndAmend! ----- Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: bluescape

Wow...just wow. This is just sick and a whole world of sheep are bleating along.


27 posted on 01/13/2020 10:25:36 AM PST by NohSpinZone (First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers)
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To: all the best

NASA knew at their founding in 1958 what all of mankind knew at the Earth’s founding about 6,000 years ago when God created the sun on the first day.


28 posted on 01/13/2020 10:31:26 AM PST by cyclotic (Democrats must be politically eviscerated, disemboweled and demolished.)
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To: abclily

The Sun, cloud cover, and the Pacific Ocean currents control our climate.


29 posted on 01/13/2020 10:32:19 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Bonemaker

This was known in 58 AD.

it was probably known in 3500 BC


30 posted on 01/13/2020 10:33:16 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: abclily

“The sun controls our climates. How hard is that to understand?”

I told this to a climate change believer the other day and I got told I should be killed.


31 posted on 01/13/2020 10:38:31 AM PST by dljordan
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To: dljordan

The person was serious?


32 posted on 01/13/2020 10:59:16 AM PST by abclily
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To: all the best

CO2 exists as a TRACE gas in our atmosphere at only little more than 400 parts per MILLION. Most CO2 is from natural sources and is essential for the life of all green plants on the planet. To assume that part per MILLION changes of a single trace gas are the primary if not sole driver of the planet”s climate and the variation in the sun’s output, the wobble of the earth’s axis relative to the sun, the oceans and volcanic eruptions which spew dust and other gases high into the atmosphere have negligible or no effect on climate is simply preposterous.


33 posted on 01/13/2020 11:10:36 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: abclily
Wrote a song about, wanna hear it, hear it goes...
( link to raffi's Mr. Sun song or what you need to know about climate change)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97_NvGbiHMA
34 posted on 01/13/2020 11:20:49 AM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: abclily

“The person was serious?”

The person said “if you think that I might have to kill you”.


35 posted on 01/13/2020 11:21:08 AM PST by dljordan
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To: Lurkinanloomin

You are correct, here are some links that devastate the whole canard of not only C02 as bad but Carbon as well

Carbon Dioxide is Making The World Greener (w/ Freeman Dyson, Institute for Advanced Studies) (23min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQHhDxRuTkI

A Dearth of Carbon (w/ Dr. Patrick Moore, environmentalist) (23 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjlmFr4FMvI

Dr. Patrick Moore website - www.ecosense.me
5 lectures on www.prageruniversity.com

Patrick Moore – The Sensible Environmentalist (TEDTalk) (18 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFHX526NPbE

World In Midst of Carbon Drought (w/ Prof. William Happer, Princeton University) (23 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-9UlF8hkhs

suggests to see cryosphere website - UofIL
https://atmos.illinois.edu/
https://globalcryospherewatch.org/state_of_cryo/seaice/

How the sun affects temperatures on Earth (w/ Valentina Zharkova, Northumbria University) (23 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyyuouPSNEA

A reality check on renewables - David MacKay (TEDTalk) (18 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0W1ZZYIV8o

Donald Sadoway: The missing link to renewable energy (TEDTalk) (15 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sddb0Khx0yA

Solar Variability and Climate - Joanna D. Haigh (16 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1MPQYN6fnQ

Donald Sadoway: The missing link to renewable energy (TEDTalk) (15 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sddb0Khx0yA


36 posted on 01/13/2020 11:31:40 AM PST by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: all the best

The problem with articles like this assume that leftists are convinced by facts.

This is not the case. Leftists are not rational.

In fact, many of them dismiss logic as the creation of white men.

Rather, the leftists operate by their emotions and feelz, so in order to change their minds, the changing process has to be emotionally based.


37 posted on 01/13/2020 11:48:40 AM PST by bkopto
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To: all the best

Mire Sun, higher temp, more photosynthesis = More CO2.


38 posted on 01/13/2020 12:12:54 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (Congress is not made up of leaders however they are representatives of their voters.)
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To: Reily
"Yes they did!"

Not as an operational organization... Although "created" legally in October 1958, there were just a few dozen people at laboratories (like NRL) around the U.S. who would be tasked with getting the organization functional over the next couple of years... It was one of the fastest, most exciting, and, for a few decades, successful peace-time technology programs the government has ever started...

However, the government never saw anything "excellent" it couldn't, with great efficiency, turn "mediocre" or "piss-poor"...

39 posted on 01/13/2020 12:20:15 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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To: SuperLuminal

I was a toddler then so I was just guessing.
When I hit grade school my father bought me a children’s book on it. Also we subscribed to the Time\Life series of science, etc books. I remember reading about it in one of those volumes also.


40 posted on 01/13/2020 12:24:49 PM PST by Reily
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