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'Designed by clowns': Boeing employees ridicule 737 MAX, regulators in internal messages
www.reuters.com ^ | 01/10/2020 | David Shepardson

Posted on 01/10/2020 6:56:24 AM PST by Red Badger

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Boeing Co has released hundreds of internal messages that contained harshly critical comments about the development of the 737 MAX, including one that said the plane was “designed by clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys”.

The messages, disclosed on Thursday, show attempts to duck regulatory scrutiny with employees disparaging the plane, the company, the Federal Aviation Administration and foreign aviation regulators.

In an instant messaging exchange on Feb. 8, 2018 - when the plane was in the air and eight months before the first of two fatal crashes, an employee asks another: “Would you put your family on a MAX simulator trained aircraft? I wouldn’t”.

The second employee responds: “No”.

The 737 MAX has been grounded since March after an Ethiopian Airlines flight nose-dived, just five months after similar Lion Air crash. The two disasters killed 346.

In particular, some of the communications reveal efforts by Boeing to avoid making pilot simulator training - an expensive and time-consuming process - a requirement for the 737 MAX.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Illinois; US: Kansas; US: South Carolina; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 737max; aerospace; boeing; boeing737; boeing737max; ethiopia; indonesia
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1 posted on 01/10/2020 6:56:24 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Unless there were specifics, such talk between employees is not unusual.


2 posted on 01/10/2020 6:57:42 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Red Badger

I won’t ever set foot on a Boeing plane again.


3 posted on 01/10/2020 6:57:52 AM PST by chris37 (Where's Hunter?)
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To: Raycpa

Go to the link, there are................


4 posted on 01/10/2020 6:58:10 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.......... ..)
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To: chris37

If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going!


5 posted on 01/10/2020 6:58:43 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

Yep.

I’ll walk first.


6 posted on 01/10/2020 6:59:16 AM PST by chris37 (Where's Hunter?)
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To: Red Badger

Boeing is done. Stick a fork in them. Senior management will be lucky to avoid prison.

L


7 posted on 01/10/2020 7:00:23 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Red Badger

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Boeing Co has released hundreds of internal messages that contained harshly critical comments about the development of the 737 MAX, including one that said the plane was “designed by clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys”.

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Is that an accurate summary of all the messages or is this a selective sample of the worst messages used as Fake News?


8 posted on 01/10/2020 7:02:24 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: Moonman62

That one was just a ‘teaser’ headline.

Read the full excerpts at the link for the serious ones...............


9 posted on 01/10/2020 7:04:15 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.......... ..)
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To: Red Badger

This is Boeing’s version of the de Havilland Comet.

No matter how many improvements / upgrades / design changes Boeing makes, this plane is doomed.


10 posted on 01/10/2020 7:04:45 AM PST by Peter W. Kessler ("NUTS!!!")
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To: Peter W. Kessler

Yes, they might as well scrap every one of them............................


11 posted on 01/10/2020 7:05:48 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.......... ..)
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To: Lurker

It’s not done. Besides planes they do business in rockets, satellites, telecommunications equipment, and missiles .
They fired the CEO in Dec.


12 posted on 01/10/2020 7:06:08 AM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: Red Badger

My guess? Diversity in the workforce. Unqualified persons hired to hit quotas and tasked with work beyond their abilities. This is the inevitable result.


13 posted on 01/10/2020 7:06:11 AM PST by TarasBulbous
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To: Red Badger

Countdown to those blaming “foreign” pilots for the problems....


14 posted on 01/10/2020 7:07:05 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is communism)
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To: Red Badger

Read the full excerpts at the link for the serious ones...............

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That doesn’t answer the question. Are the excerpts an accurate summation or are they selective Fake News?


15 posted on 01/10/2020 7:07:15 AM PST by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: nuconvert

“Besides planes they do business in rockets, satellites, telecommunications equipment, and missiles.”

It won’t matter. They’ve embarrassed Uncle Sam. That’s unforgivable.

L


16 posted on 01/10/2020 7:07:39 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Peter W. Kessler

They can re-engine the MAX to eliminate any possible aerodynamic instability. The airframe would remain usable, but without the higher efficiency engines the value proposition is damaged - meaning many orders would be canceled.


17 posted on 01/10/2020 7:08:12 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Peter W. Kessler

“No matter how many improvements / upgrades / design changes Boeing makes, this plane is doomed”

I agree.


18 posted on 01/10/2020 7:11:00 AM PST by nuconvert ( Warning: Accused of being a radical militarist. Approach with caution.)
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To: Moonman62

Far worse things were said by DEC employees. They all seemed real as DEC slowly and horribly went out of business.


19 posted on 01/10/2020 7:12:00 AM PST by pabianice
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To: Moonman62

I wouldn’t know.
Here is another link that has verbatim excerpts:

Factbox: In Boeing internal messages, employees distrust the 737 MAX and mock regulators:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-737max-factbox/factbox-in-boeing-internal-messages-employees-distrust-the-737-max-and-mock-regulators-idUSKBN1Z90NP


20 posted on 01/10/2020 7:12:57 AM PST by Red Badger (Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain.......... ..)
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