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Posted on 01/06/2020 7:11:15 AM PST by Kaslin
When we leave, the sunni jihadists from all over middle east will return to face off against the Iranian backed shia. Lesson learned from Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya is sloganeering about hearts and minds and rebuilding is empty rhetoric and very expensive rhetoric, at that The middle east is not a hearts and minds region of the world because it is devoid of both hearts and minds which were replaced centuries ago by the darkness of an abject religious tribal hatred between the two groups no one can tame. They were killing each other 500 years ago and they will be doing so 500 years in the future. There is no benefit to being a long term third party to their blood sport. In that region, when conflict is necessary to defend Western security interests, the hearts and minds fantasy needs to be replaced by bomb and leave reality. The law of diminishing returns dictates what difference does it make that 90% of their populus hate us before we bombed than 95% after we bombed and inadvertently caused some collateral damage to defend our national interest. The cold hard reality is collateral damage by air to them is a much cheaper price to pay than the overwhelming loss on foot of blood and treasure to us.
Rules of Engagement for Muslims -
1) if non-Muslims are present, Sunni and Shia sects will join to enslave (economically and physically), convert, or kill until all infidels are annihilated;
2) If no infidels are present, Shia and Sunni will turn against each other until only one sect remains.
The only question is, are you an infidel?
The U.S. is involved in all these stupid military campaigns because our government has been sold to foreign and corporate interests who don't give a sh!t about what's best for the average American.
Because we can’t keep America safe by pretending the lower 48 lives in isolation.
It seems to me that the Middle East is moving to Europe and the United States.
Maybe the Middle East should just stay put in the Middle East.
Let them fight it out.
Let ‘em all kill each other and let Allah sort it out.
Bring the boys home and secure our borders. Let them kill each other. With the fracking revolution, we no longer need Middle Eastern oil. There is no need for us to be there. If the flow of oil is disrupted, let the Yurps and the Chinese deal with it. After all, they’ve the ones dependent on Middle Eastern oil - not us.
Because it is in the national interest to be a presence in the middle east
Cowardly isolationist whining is counterproductive
They won’t. This is a purposeful invasion.
This is no different than Brazilian Crazy Ants moving in on American Red Ants.
The former will completely replace the latter.
Blah, blah, blah yada yada ......sanctimonious drivel
“Iran has not chiefly funded an organization that did mass beheadings, raped Yazidis, and drowned Christians.”
No, the Mullahs of Tehran have done those things to Iranian citizens opposed to the Mullahs, and the force led by the general who was killed has carried out assassinations of opponents world wide, built and supported radical militias in Lebanon, Gaza, Syria and Iraq and seeks to expand that force across the entire Middle East, using local grudges to initiate proxy wars to expand the Mullah’s theocratic influence and interests.
The war being waged by the Mullahs may not look like the war waged by ISIS but there is less than six degrees of separation between the long term goals of both groups - domination among Middle East Muslim societies, to build a unified Muslim hegemony to make war on everyone else.
Correct.
200 years ago, it was Britain who stopped a Russian attempt to punch through to the Indian Ocean to get a warm water year around ice free port.
Russia’s Afghan Invasion in the 1980s was believed to be another try to gain access to the Indian Ocean.
Of course, people who are too damned stupid to be able to elucidate the difference between a punitive military action and a war of occupation and explain the differing circumstances where each might be appropriate and do not outline that securing ones borders and ensuring that people opposed to the national interest are incarcerated if citizens or expelled if not have no business of any sort pontificating on the matter.
I agree.
When we are in the ME, they kills us. When we are not in the ME, they kill each other.
Baloney. Can you even give a coherent explanation for what exactly our "national interest" is in the Middle East?
Cowardly isolationist whining is counterproductive.
The United States should be isolationist by nature and interventionist in rare, exceptional cases. That’s the only legitimate political stature for a country that is supposed to be built on the idea of limited government.
A government that pisses away thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on military campaigns in Islamic sh!t-holes halfway around the world while facilitating an invasion of Third World peasants here at home has no moral claim on any loyalty from its citizens anymore.
When Britain decided that the native available COAL was not the fuel they wanted their navy to utilize and decided to become an OIL based NAVY that was the day that the 6th century sandbox that is the middle east suddenly became important... and began the rest of the world down the path of having to care and keep this cesspool somewhat stable.
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