Posted on 12/23/2019 5:13:07 AM PST by karpov
As elite colleges and universities seek to be more diverse, there is one section on the Common Application that has become increasingly loaded: the boxes where prospective students are asked about their identity.
Students know they face tougher-than-ever odds of earning admission and feel pressure to answer in a way that gives them an edge, college counselors and families say. Colleges, in turn, are frustrated because they have no way to confirm the information.
Questions college counselors are encountering from students and their parents include: Does partial heritage count? If a father is Cuban but you don’t speak Spanish, should you check Hispanic? Is it advantageous to declare yourself gay or bisexual even if you’re not?
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Inside college admission offices, the question is prompting debates and raising questions over whether students are legitimate members of certain groups or trying to game the system. Some admissions officers say schools look for extracurricular activities that could reflect an applicant’s racial identity, such as participation in a Latino or African-American student group. The absence of any further mention of their background could be a red flag.
The goal is to determine whether a student will represent a minority community in a way that enriches the school, said Jon Reider, who was a senior associate director of admission at Stanford University for 15 years and then director of college counseling at a private high school. This places colleges in the awkward position of determining whether a student is “authentically black” or “authentically Latino,” he said.
The impact of an applicant’s race is marginal and one of many factors a school considers, admissions officers say. But when students are trying to get into elite colleges with acceptance rates in the single digits, any advantage, however small, takes on outsize consideration to some applicants
(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...
"Putting preferences in terms of test scores, at private schools, blacks get an advantage, compared to whites, worth 310 SAT points (out of 1600), Hispanics an advantage of 130, and Asians a disadvantage of 140. At public schools, the authors present the difference in ACT points: blacks 3.8 (out of 36), Hispanics 0.3, Asians –3.4.
If we look at students who actually matriculate, blacks are far more likely than whites to come from the bottom 80 percent of their high-school classes (27 percent versus 12 percent), have high-school GPAs of B+ or below (32 versus 18 percent), and have SAT scores below 1000 (21 versus 2 percent)."
BUMP. Tell your white kids early, as we do, that they will always be at an academic disadvantage because of their race. We are both graduates of two of the top-three schools in the country but fully realize that we were accepted before these schools started to put quotas on straight white middle class people. Old legacies may still get in, but they are often not as smart as their peers. So, it balances out...
Considering a zero on the 1600-point SAT is actually a 400, that 300+ point advantage is even greater than it sounds.
Just check Native American. Worked for Warren.
This is 2019 folks. So if a man can legally self-identify as a woman, why can’t a straight applicant with two Irish parents self-identify as a gay Hispanic of African heritage?
Senator Elizabeth “Cherokee” Warren bravely paved the way on this. Let us all follow her bold example!
Awesome movie.
“Bring me my heroin and hypodermic needles bitch! Some mo watermelon too...”
“earning admission”
The arrogance of these universities is unbelievable. Yes, “earn” the right to pay tuition that is price gouged through the roof by hypocritical commie anti-capitalists so you can fall into massive debt for most of your adult life for the privilege of being indoctrinated into the Democommie party by the “nomenklatura”
Today everyone involved in that movie would be run out of Hollywood for hate crimes even though it was spot on right.
My grandchildren are descendants (about 10 generations back) from Chief Powhatan, father of Pocahontas, and on a different line from Tom Blount, King of the Tuscarora. All the rest of their ancestors are European (at least as far back as the records go). Could they claim to be Native Americans, in good faith, for the purposes of college admission? And for other purposes as well?
Sadly, you’ve got to lay it all out, maximize the checkboxes marked. It is a shame really when the qualifications should be simply: [ ] US citizen, [ ] SAT/ACT score, and [ ] Graduation status, rank, and grade. I can fully understanding asking about interest and activities but beyond that, nothing. It is not or should not be relevant what a person’s race, ethnicity, gender, marital status, age, politics, religion, and so forth are. We cannot use this in hiring, schools should be no different.
Of course not. It is not worth euining their character to get into a better school thqn they will succeed in.
Be aware that some lies are punished, and some are not. Quoting the article:
'The potential advantages of lying about race figured into the sprawling admissions-cheating scheme this year. William “Rick” Singer, the college counselor and mastermind who pleaded guilty in March, encouraged some clients to identify as black or Latino. He warned teens that failing to misrepresent their race could put them at a “competitive disadvantage,” according to a person familiar with his business.
Marjorie Klapper, who pleaded guilty in connection to the case, had a son who was listed on at least one college application as African-American and Mexican, though he was neither. Ms. Klapper was sentenced to three weeks in prison. Neither she nor her attorneys responded to a request for comment.'
Do it.
I am a native American.
I was born in Florida.
There is not a single college in this nation that discriminates against minorities, so there is no reason to give minorities extra credit for admission.
Nowadays a straight white male would be a fool to admit it on a college application. The better question is, “WHy would a straight, white male WANT to spend any time on a college campus?”
For Harvard, the average SAT is 1510 out of 1600. 1460 puts you in the bottom 25%. A black student coming in 300 points below average (1210) would be at the very bottom of the admission distribution. This is a HUGE discrepancy.
You can have perfect SATs, plus extra curricular activities, and yet be Asian, and be rejected.
It’s happened. What more does an Asian have to do to get admitted? Change his race.
That’s “color blind” Admissions...
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