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They don't say how many charge cycles. US is deeply dependent on China for Lithium Ion batteries. This new technology offers a path around this and time will tell if the cost will make a real difference.
1 posted on 12/18/2019 11:09:28 PM PST by dalight
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How stable are they? (boom / fire)

What voltage and amperage?

What products are they best suited for? Hearing aids, handheld phones, Teslas?

2 posted on 12/18/2019 11:12:06 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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All the ingredients come from sea water? How many acre-feet of water is needed to make one battery? these things are going to cost an exorbitant amount.


3 posted on 12/18/2019 11:12:42 PM PST by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual hemlock)
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Also no specifics regards little things like availability, initial confioguration, and price.
Until that happens it’s just more vaporware.


5 posted on 12/18/2019 11:18:03 PM PST by Ex gun maker. (Unconstitutional "Law" is void from inception.....)
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If IBM has patented this tech, the Chinese have already purloined the filing and are busily racing to market with a clone.


8 posted on 12/18/2019 11:22:57 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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The downside is, they’re probably as big as a house


10 posted on 12/18/2019 11:24:56 PM PST by 11th_VA
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ping


11 posted on 12/18/2019 11:26:29 PM PST by GOPJ (The impeachment hatefest will be an historical rebuke to corrupt silly liberal 'elites'....)
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Lots of energy in a small space; what could possibly go wrong?


12 posted on 12/18/2019 11:31:49 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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“the Oasis Group 31 battery from Firefly International Energy “ — First the development, mass manufacturing technique needed, then bankrupt.

10 years to market is easily 20 years without a production method.

No innovation was possible in the solar cell industry with the Chinese doing dumping and thwarting predictive business model costs—stuck on first generation technology. IMHO

Maybe someone at IBM went rogue again in a Swiss research lab per superconductors.


15 posted on 12/18/2019 11:44:25 PM PST by Scram1
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Scientific BREAKTHROUGH !!

IBM Battery has power capacity 1/1000th that of simple gasoline.

Why?

Why so low and miserly?

Because electricity is NOT gasoline !

16 posted on 12/18/2019 11:45:57 PM PST by TheNext (LeGaBiT)
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L8r


23 posted on 12/19/2019 1:45:52 AM PST by preacher ( Journalism no longer reports news, they use news to shape our society.)
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Great! Just in time to power my flying car!


26 posted on 12/19/2019 2:23:04 AM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (Guide me, O thou great redeemer, pilgrim through this barren land.)
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Hurrah!


28 posted on 12/19/2019 3:44:39 AM PST by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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I am not a chemist, but I did stay @ the Holiday Inn Express last night...

Spoke with one of my gnomes, possibly this is utilizing sodium magnesium sulfate, found in sea water. the Sulfur battery has been a bit of a holy grail, we need to learn more. The question I have is does this delve into the anti-petrovites that QuantumScape (look into who and what they are doing) is working on.

The big one here is the 5 min charge time to 80%, again IMHO the next beach-head is charge times...

31 posted on 12/19/2019 3:54:45 AM PST by taildragger ("Do you hear the people Singing? Singing the Songs of Angry Men!")
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Darn interesting post. Reading the article, I noticed it had a link to the IBM source that the article summarized. I linked the IBM direct info below.

https://www.ibm.com/blogs/research/2019/12/heavy-metal-free-battery/

Most noteworthy to me is the group of heavy hitters IBM has partnered with to commercialize this battery chemistry. This sort of partnership means that the technical and economic feasibilities will be at high levels and big capital $$$ are ready to go. While not explicitly mentioned, I assume that product and manufacturing engineering are well along. Manufacturing alone will be several billion $$$.

33 posted on 12/19/2019 3:58:46 AM PST by Hootowl99
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“The three components, IBM said, can all be extracted from sea water, meaning the environmental damage...”

Must be a Sodium based battery technology. Excellent!

While IBM has some serious research chops, they don’t mess around with items without commercial value.


37 posted on 12/19/2019 4:28:06 AM PST by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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Actually, we are now obtaining lithium from hydraulic fracturing flowback.

Businesses have already commercialized this process.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3787679/posts


39 posted on 12/19/2019 4:45:13 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party is now a hate-group)
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41 posted on 12/19/2019 5:04:52 AM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Other “gotchas” on these new wonder batteries is temperature range and self-discharge rate.


42 posted on 12/19/2019 5:11:03 AM PST by The Antiyuppie (“When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day”)
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Children in the Congo are slaving and dying in lithium mines to provide the raw resource for these batteries. Liberals don’t care because they love their iPhones. These products are extremely harmful to the environment, but liberals don’t care because they love their iPhones. Someone is making serious bank by enslaving or promoting the enslavement of these poor black children. Who?


48 posted on 12/19/2019 5:39:26 AM PST by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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Ok, so some guys in a lab have discovered/created/engineered this cool technology. But can it be scaled up to industrial levels of manufacturing? What happens to performance and safety if the quality is a little off? Production lines aren't the same as lab techs.

One other area of concern... Sure the battery tech can support an 80% charge in 5 min... But what about heat dissipation during that time? Consider a Tesla has an 85 kWh battery. That's an awful lot of energy to deliver very quickly. A Tesla supercharging station delivers about 150 kW of power at 480 volts. That works out to about 300 amps. That takes 40 minutes to charge. If you want to deliver the same energy in 5 minutes... You're going to need more volts and/or more amps, about 7X more of one or the other. I would say both are already at the fairly scary-high level right now with a supercharging station.

LOL - I had a typo in this briefly in the last sentence. It said "...supercharing station." Which at these levels of power delivery might not be a typo after all...

50 posted on 12/19/2019 5:47:18 AM PST by ThunderSleeps ( Be ready!)
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