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To: Waverunner

Actually, chattel slavery came with the English. Chattel slavery is one where the slave is just a possession with no human rights. Spanish slavery was sort of long-term indentured servitude, where the slave could earn money, buy his freedom, marry, attend religious services and be baptized. When African slaves escaped from the English slave owners, they were free if they could get across the border into Spanish Florida. They had to become Spanish citizens and be baptized once they got to Florida.

The Spanish had been forbidden by both the Pope and Queen Isabella to enslave the Indians, whereas the British took many Indians as slaves and sent them off to the sugar mills in the British Caribbean.

Jefferson and others of the writers of the Constitution were very bothered by the existence of slavery in the English speaking area of the US, but they just didn’t feel they could forbid it or even free their own slaves. He had introduced a section dealing with the slave trade into the draft of the Constitution but it was rejected by the representatives.


7 posted on 12/18/2019 11:11:17 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

You might want to read “Barbarous Mexico” by John Turner
It is a 1910 book describing the horrendous treatment of slaves under Diaz in Mexico. Yes, 1910 not 1619 or 1776.
And please do not feed me textbook crap on the enlightenment of Spanish slave owners. Spain exploited the people they conquered in the New World like no other country did. Then they imported African slaves on top of that. Portugal was also a major abuser in the slave trade, with an incredible consumption, as in use them up by working them to the death in the mines and swamps of Brazil. But the Spanish method of using God as a justification for enslaving “savages” to save their souls was truly evil. That justified doing anything. Like burning every book the Mayans wrote.

Remember that throughout most of mankind’s history, slavery was a societal norm. The Vedic texts, the Old testament, and the Koran mention slavery without calling for it’s abolition.

The world had screwed up morals for thousands of years. It was the the revolutionist men of the British colonies of America who decided to break that cycle.

Here are the words America was founded on in 1776,

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

What a concept, all people are equal and have rights which are organic to their existence. Government doesn’t give people rights. They are part of the natural state of humanity. Revolutionary!!!


8 posted on 12/19/2019 12:53:19 AM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: livius

...the British took many Indians as slaves and sent them off to the sugar mills in the British Caribbean.
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Kamela’s father can attest to that. Someone should ask her about it on live TV. They can quote her father back to her.


9 posted on 12/19/2019 3:18:19 AM PST by reformedliberal
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