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To: Manly Warrior

Here’s the problem with your proposal:

I was the Weapons Officer on a CG in Mayport, responsible for everything on the ship that went ‘boom’, from Tomahawk cruise missiles to M-60’s to 50 cals to SM-2 SAM’s to torpedoes.

The ‘Base Commander’ was not my Commanding Officer.

In order to get to my ship, I had to transit through the base.

I have a CCW permit from my State - it’s called my driver’s license. I’m from Vermont. Anybody age 16 and older can carry concealed in Vermont; if one is younger, then that person has to have a permission slip from Mom/Dad.

Even on base, a commissioned warship is sovereign territory and the Commanding Officer (or his designated representative) can prevent ANY person from boarding the ship - including base police, sheriffs, local police, etc.

I was responsible for training our ship’s security forces for deployment - but I wasn’t allowed to carry a weapon between the gate and my ship - legally. Made no sense then, and it makes no sense now. Too many ‘risk-averse’ perfumed princes all believing they’re still on track for O-7.


27 posted on 12/13/2019 1:50:31 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: GreyHoundSailor

Didn’t quite get the answer you offer.

My example may not be workable in every situation, but then those are the details to be worked out. AFA you DL being a CCWL- not. MO is a permitless carry state too- I always recommend folks get CCW cert training and a CCWL for all the benefits of the doubt. You my be a well qualified cC type, but I would hesitate to assume so. As a former CCWL instructor here in MO, I turned down quite a few folks who could buy a firearm, but did not meet my criteria for my signature.

The mechanics of a vessel etc- well, tell us how it should work. Would tend to think that a boat anchored at a naval base is not the same as one underway etc ( but I am not a naval officer nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn recently).

We agree on the stinking princes and risk avoidance wet lilies....


35 posted on 12/13/2019 4:36:51 PM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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