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Why Does This Impeachment NOT Feel Like a Defeat for Trump?
National Review ^ | 12/10/2019 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 12/10/2019 11:38:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind

On paper, the speaker of the House and chairmen of the relevant committees announcing they will impeach the president should feel like a historic moment and a rarely equaled disgrace for the presidency. This day should feel momentous, grim, and solemn. In this presidency, it feels like “Tuesday.”

On paper, the impeachment hearings did everything House Democrats wanted them to do. While some of the key testimony was second-hand, the witnesses painted an ugly picture of the administration and president, focused on farfetched tales of a lost server and obsessed with the Bidens and not seeming to give a fig about what the military aid meant to Ukraine. The major television networks covered the hearings live. The objections of House Republicans were largely ridiculed by the media. The GOP was unable to introduce witnesses to interrupt the Democrats’ narrative or divert attention to the Bidens or other topics.

And yet the polling is about where it was at the start of October. As of this writing, in the FiveThirtyEight aggregation, 47.1 percent support removing the president, and 44 percent don’t support removal. That’s not good for the White House, but that’s nowhere near where Democrats wanted it to be. There’s nothing resembling the bipartisan consensus that Democrats had previously called a prerequisite for moving forward with the removal of a president. In fact, impeachment could well be hurting Democrats’ chances in key swing states. A recent survey found removal is opposed by 50.8 percent of voters in Michigan, 52.2 percent of voters in Pennsylvania, and 57.9 percent of voters in Wisconsin. Whether or not you think the hearings were persuasive, the evidence suggests they didn’t persuade many people who didn’t already support impeachment.

The hearings didn’t seem to change minds in the House of Representatives, either. So far there is no indication that any House Republican is considering voting to impeach. There are murmurs of frustration and discontent among moderate House Democrats. Most House Democrats will fall in line, probably. But at the end of October, 232 House Democrats voted to start the inquiry. The articles are unlikely to get that many votes, in part because of the death of Elijah Cummings and the resignation of Katie Hill. The House currently has only 233 Democrats. The only drama in the upcoming House vote will be if any Democrats join the two who voted against starting the inquiry — Collin Peterson of Minnesota and Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey — or if either man changes his mind.

Also, what happened to all of those charges against Trump? For the past few weeks, we’ve heard many Democrats insist that Trump’s actions constituted bribery, extortion, violation of campaign finance laws, and witness intimidation. All of that got dropped, and the articles of impeachment cover the umbrella term “abuse of power” and “obstruction of Congress.”

After all of this, there’s nothing referring to Trump’s actions in the Mueller report. Apparently the so-called evidence of obstruction of justice laid out by the special counsel just didn’t warrant impeachment.

Finally, apparently President Trump is such an anti-Constitutional menace that the freedom and fairness of future elections cannot be guaranteed unless he is removed . . . and he is also the kind of man that House Democrats can reach a deal with on trade deals and family leave. Both of those agreements are much bigger surprises than the decision on the impeachment articles.

Impeachment is turning into a historic blip.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: congress; impeachment; nro; winning
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To: Telepathic Intruder
It is not impeachment. It is continuous, unconstitutional harassment of one branch of government by another branch.

They wouldn't own that branch of the government had they not stolen it with vote fraud and that bullsh*t "ballot harvesting" vote fraud scheme they passed in California.

Valid, real, actual voters who are American citizens would not have given them control over this branch of the government. That they have it at all is the consequence of tolerating their corrupt voting schemes.

21 posted on 12/10/2019 12:09:04 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: SeekAndFind
"Why Does This Impeachment NOT Feel Like a Defeat for Trump?"

Because everyone knows it is the Democrats who are guilty and that they can not put the President on trial without exposing their own crimes, even if only a few will come out and say it.

22 posted on 12/10/2019 12:19:28 PM PST by Widget Jr
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To: DiogenesLamp
"Valid, real actual voters...would not have given them control over this branch of government."
We all need to wake up and realize that there are areas of this country where the crazy Marxocrats are, indeed, valid, real, actual voters. The state of Mexifornia has been Exhibit A. The state of Washington DC (Virginia) is now Exhibit B.
23 posted on 12/10/2019 12:24:48 PM PST by DrPretorius
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To: DrPretorius
I have no doubt that very badly misinformed voters exist in places like California and other liberal states, but my point was regarding the out and out ballot fraud employed by the Democrat party.

California's newly passed "ballot harvesting" law is responsible for flipping 10 Republican seats in the last election. Without voter fraud, the Democrats would not have taken over control of congress.

Without the media liars manipulating and misinforming the voters constantly, the Democrat party would be far weaker still.

24 posted on 12/10/2019 12:38:24 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: chajin
One of the unintended consequences is that no one’s mind is going to be changed by any of this.

My mind was changed.

Before, I suspected that many Democrats were evil, despicable liars and some were a-holes.

Now, I definitely know that many Democrats are evil, despicable liars and that many are a-holes. And the rest of the Democrats are stupid and ignorant.

25 posted on 12/10/2019 12:38:58 PM PST by roadcat
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To: DiogenesLamp

Democrats seized Oregon through redistricting. A small minority of far-left zealot in places like Multnomah country have successfully silenced the voices and the votes of conservatives who were once a majority.


26 posted on 12/10/2019 12:40:36 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder
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27 posted on 12/10/2019 12:41:12 PM PST by a little elbow grease (... to err is human, to admit it divine ...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because there is no there, there.


28 posted on 12/10/2019 12:45:33 PM PST by vpintheak (Leftists are full of "Love, peace" and bovine squeeze.)
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To: SeekAndFind

At his next rally Trump should wear a yellow 6 pointed star on his coat with the word Impeached written on it.


29 posted on 12/10/2019 12:52:34 PM PST by POWG
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To: All

Because we all knew it was coming from the day he was elected.


30 posted on 12/10/2019 1:01:39 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump just got thrown into the briar patch.


31 posted on 12/10/2019 1:02:41 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: SeekAndFind
47.1 percent support removing the president

That could be true, but when you remove the states where the President has no chance of winning, the numbers are quite different.

32 posted on 12/10/2019 1:13:48 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

That extra scoop of ice cream was clearly because he had the power, and abused it by extorting ice cream.


33 posted on 12/10/2019 1:21:54 PM PST by Reagan80 ("In this current crisis, government is not the solution to our problems, government IS the problem")
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To: Telepathic Intruder

That’s another example of what I consider to be a vote fraud method.


34 posted on 12/10/2019 1:48:04 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no oither sovereignty.")
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To: SeekAndFind

a Hysteric blip...


35 posted on 12/10/2019 1:53:45 PM PST by kanawa (Trump Loves a Great Deal (NorthernSentinel))
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To: SeekAndFind
Democrats dumbing down impeachment they way they have dumbed down everything else they touch.

The democrat party should be declared a RICO organization (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization)

Under the law, RICO racketeering activity includes violations of statutes against:

I see at least several in that list the democrat party is routinely guilty of.


36 posted on 12/10/2019 2:16:19 PM PST by Vlad The Inhaler (I love Mankind - It's Just Most Of The People That I Can't Stand)
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To: VanDeKoik

This whole thing REEKS of them not able to come to terms with who WE selected. TOUGH!!!!


37 posted on 12/10/2019 2:19:51 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Because it has absolutely no chance of succeeding. The seedy democrats led by Nancy Pelosi are knowingly wasting taxpayer’s time and money, trying to slander Trump’s reputation to get a democrat elected.


38 posted on 12/10/2019 3:12:31 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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