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Beijing Yanks DPRK Chain - Denuclearization off the Table
Conservative Treehouse ^ | 127/2019 | Sundance

Posted on 12/07/2019 5:35:04 PM PST by datura

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To: Candor7

““The actual goal of President Trump’s U.S-China trade reset is a complete decoupling of U.S. critical manufacturing within China. President Trump does not express angst, frustration, or even disappointment over the U.S-China trade discussions because the decoupling is well underway.””

Globalists are still being wankers but even their long run is great.


21 posted on 12/07/2019 6:38:11 PM PST by jcon40 (The other post before yours really nails it for me. IOr keep people from / PC ing in ver and alway)
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To: datura

I don’t know why we pay any attention to this insignificant country. Simply tell them we have a nuke missile sub in the area that can completely level all of North Korea should they try something, and then just ignore them.


22 posted on 12/07/2019 6:39:22 PM PST by Husker24
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To: Ciaphas Cain

[The potential threat to him from hardliners/malcontents in the NK regime should not be underestimated.]


I think there’s a tendency to mistake power politics and mere posturing to get ahead, for genuine ideological difference. Ultimately, most of the positioning relates to getting a better grip on power. During the last thousand years, at least half-a-dozen Korean kings have been ousted by courtiers, sons, siblings, uncles, etc. They said what they had to say to get near the throne. Once they got complete control, that’s when you found out what they were really all about.


23 posted on 12/07/2019 6:42:57 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Ciaphas Cain
The problem is, Kim is walking an unenviable tightrope between China on one hand and his own government on the other.

Good analysis by you. I have wondered how deep the Chinese tentacles are in the North Korean Government. Should Kim try to deal with the US will China have one of his Generals take him out?

So as you are pointing out Kim may want to do much of what the President is proposing. The problem is HOW does he do it without getting killed? No sense in trying to pocket a few billion if one of your Generals is going to stab you in the back.

I would have thought that South Korea could be playing a larger role in helping Kim but they seem to be impotent in this process.

24 posted on 12/07/2019 6:49:28 PM PST by stig
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To: Candor7

I love your posts.

Never go away.


25 posted on 12/07/2019 6:54:49 PM PST by gaijin
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To: datura
How much of the current impeachment insanity is being run by Beijing I wonder.....

Exactly. I wonder the same.

26 posted on 12/07/2019 6:56:21 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: gaijin

We all have a lot of fun here. That way you can tell a troll from miles away. LOL. They don’t have fun.


27 posted on 12/07/2019 7:19:02 PM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obam_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: datura

I wonder how many us politicians are on the take from China? Start with Pelosi!


28 posted on 12/07/2019 7:44:53 PM PST by lecram (Marcel L'Heureux)
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To: datura
An excellent article by Sundance regarding China. Worth the full read for sure.
I agree.

Beijing Yanks DPRK Chain – North Korea Envoy: “denuclearization is already gone out of the negotiating table”…

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China controls North Korea; essentially as a proxy province.  As a result Beijing controls the messaging from the DPRK.  Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping is the captor and North Korean Chairman Kim Jong-un is the captive – it’s essentially a hostage dynamic.  The historic objective has been to use DPRK aggression as a hedge against the west.

Predictably there was going to come a moment when Chairman Xi realized the trade negotiations by his adversary, President Trump, were a hall of mirrors.  The U.S. President has played China by using their own panda-mask strategy against them.

 

President Trump achieved his goal when no-one was paying attention. The goal was a decoupling from China on economic terms.  Strategic decoupling has been underway for over a year.   There is no actual intent to reach a trade deal with China where the U.S. drops the tariffs and returns to holding hands with a happy panda playing by new rules. This fictional narrative is a figment of fantasy being sold by a financial media that cannot fathom a U.S. President would be so bold as to just walk away from China.

For almost three years U.S. President Trump has been working on two connected objectives: (1) removing the threat posed by North Korea by severing the ability of Beijing to use the proxy province as a weapon (Kim is hostage to China); and (2) deconstructing the growing economic influence of China.

Both issues are directly connected to U.S. national security; and both issues are being approached by President Trump through the use of economic leverage to achieve national security results.

In the dynamic of the denuclearization of North Korea, the projected Beijing narrative was Chairman Xi Jinping playing the role of magnanimous panda and *guiding* Chairman Kim Jong Un into the world of nations.  This strategy was pure cunning; as it would look magnanimous to the world, but Xi would always retain control over Kim…

The Magnanimous Panda ploy was a false optic; and President Trump through direct contact with Chairman Kim knew it.

President Trump portrayed himself as buying-in to the Magnanimous Panda scheme of Chairman Xi.  However, the unorthodox approach of having frequent contact and direct communication with Chairman Kim Jong-un muted Beijing’s control as puppeteer.

The Beijing central authority, while negotiating with President Trump over trade issues, did not initially realize that President Trump was also wearing a panda mask.

President Trump looked like he was being earnest, deliberate and patient; but in reality President Trump was achieving his goal.  Here’s the ‘ah-ha’ moment.

….The current status with China was the final objective.

President Trump is not currently engaged in a substantive trade agreement in the formal way people are thinking about it.  Instead “Phase-One” is simply President Trump negotiating the terms of a big Agricultural purchase commitment from Beijing, and also protecting some very specific U.S. business interests (think Apple Co.) in the process.

The actual goal of President Trump’s U.S-China trade reset is a complete decoupling of U.S. critical manufacturing within China.  President Trump does not express angst, frustration, or even disappointment over the U.S-China trade discussions because the decoupling is well underway.

China is suffering a slow death by a thousand paper-cuts. The bleeding of cash in combination with the direct loss of $75 billion in annualized exported products that U.S. companies have now sourced from alternative ASEAN nations is biting hard.

The direct outcome is also a drop in China’s purchasing of industrial goods they would normally use in the manufacturing process. This lack of Chinese purchasing is one of the top reasons for the stall in the European economy.

Donald Trump spent 30-years openly advocating for the principle of restoring American wealth. That meant the economic pressure would continue until China was decoupled from influence over the U.S. economy.

President Trump used tariffs and threatened more consequential action as it relates to non-tariff barriers, IP protection, forced technology transfers etc as a result of China reneging on their May 2019 agreement.

Additionally, President Trump was openly engaged with North Korean Chairman Kim Jong-un throughout; telling the world North Korea was already no longer a threat, and muting the ability of Beijing to use DPRK aggression against the economic confrontation.

In hindsight every move since early 2017 including: (1) the warm welcome of Chairman Xi Jinping to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate; (2) the vociferous praise poured upon Xi; (3) the U.N. sanctions where China and Russia agreed; (4) the November 2017 “golden ticket’ tour of Asia; (5) the direct engagement with North Korean Chairman Kim Jong Un; (6) the strategic relationship with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe; and a host of smaller nuanced moves were all quietly building toward the goal of decoupling from China.

President Trump outmatched Chairman Xi in this economic confrontation by allowing Beijing to underestimate Trump’s resolve.  While Chairman Xi thought he was outmaneuvering his rival, it was President Trump who was wearing the Panda mask all along.

There was always going to be a moment when China realized what was happening.

It was also predictable China would react to the realization by returning to their historic leverage against such economic confrontation.

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) – North Korea’s ambassador to the United Nations said on Saturday that denuclearization is off the negotiating table with the United States and lengthy talks with Washington are not needed.

Ambassador Kim Song’s comment appeared to go further than North Korea’s earlier warning that discussions related to its nuclear weapons program, the central focus of U.S. engagement with North Korea in the past two years, might have to be taken off the table given Washington’s refusal to offer concessions.

“We do not need to have lengthy talks with the U.S. now and denuclearization is already gone out of the negotiating table,” he said in the statement made available to Reuters. (more)

On December 15th the next round of tariffs against China are likely to go into effect.

All of it is controlled by Beijing and all of the activity is in direct proportion to Chairman Xi realizing that President Trump is decoupling the U.S. from China.

 

 

 

29 posted on 12/07/2019 7:46:26 PM PST by Bratch (IF YOU HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT CITIZENS, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SELFISH IGNORANT LEADERS-George Carlin)
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To: Husker24

China is the receiver if their child shoots at US. We can cover both but the kid is getting told what to do. We kick the dad’s ass.


30 posted on 12/07/2019 7:52:44 PM PST by Equine1952 (( You can die on your feet or live down on your knees. You can not do both. Freedom Is not Free))
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To: datura

Calling Kim a hostage is inaccurate.

A hostage implies someone innocent, someone forced into a situation against his will, and who has a place to go back to when released. None of these applies to Kim; his idols were his brutal dictator father and grandfather; he was implicated in the murder of his half-brother long protected by China; he has been making money doing all kinds of illicit things like counterfeiting US dollars, etc.

Rather than captor and hostage, it is more like a symbiotic relationship where China is using NK as a hedge against the West, while Kim is getting everything he needs from China so he can continue the family tradition of being a dictator in his own country.


31 posted on 12/07/2019 8:06:58 PM PST by sun7
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To: datura

Imports and exports make up less than 15% of our GDP. That makes the U.S essentially a closed economy. Despite the hand wringing and bed wetting of globalists, the U.S does not NEED trade with any other nation.

On the other hand, the U.S represents 27% of the world’s GDP. Except for backwater hell holes where the people survive on less than $2.00 a day (about 3.3 billion people), EVERY OTHER nation is critically dependent on trade with the U.S.

The Chinese economy is in free fall. Their major source of hard currency is Hong Kong and they are hard at work killing the only goose laying golden eggs.

The DPRK has no economy to speak of. When famine hits this winter the 27 million starving citizens will go north into China, and China cannot absorb a humanitarian disaster of such magnitude.

S*cks to be them.


32 posted on 12/07/2019 8:31:19 PM PST by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (We are the dangerous ones, who stand between all we love and a more dangerous world.)
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To: datura

I agree. Excellent read. Makes sense. Trump is a very shrewd businessman above all else. One doesn’t get to be a billionaire otherwise. Couple that with his ‘America First’ philosophy/goal and this really makes perfect sense.


33 posted on 12/07/2019 9:38:21 PM PST by Boomer (Epstein didn't kill himself...)
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To: ping jockey

Need to get the deep state properly tarred and feathered before 2020. Not for the elections sake but to keep them from dragging us into another war.


35 posted on 12/07/2019 10:44:43 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: ping jockey

I road the boats. We don’t need to kiss ass. If they blow up DC we strike. Losing DC seems like a bonus. They lose their wussies too. When will we be stronger? Huh? Walk on your feet or live down on your knees. Churchill said it best “you can’t negotiate with a tiger, when your head is in its mouth” it’s time to fight,phu**k, or go for your gun. No balls, no blue chips.


36 posted on 12/07/2019 10:51:58 PM PST by Equine1952 (( You can die on your feet or live down on your knees. You can not do both. Freedom Is not Free))
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To: Jeff Chandler

I tend to lean that the deep state would pay N.Korea good money to keep the threat alive and well.


37 posted on 12/07/2019 11:01:51 PM PST by caww
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I tend to lean that the deep state would pay N.Korea good money to keep the threat alive and well.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were in there some where.

38 posted on 12/07/2019 11:07:24 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (BLACK LIVES MAGA)
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To: Jeff Chandler

It was NEVER on the table day 1


39 posted on 12/08/2019 2:26:58 AM PST by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: lecram
I wonder how many us politicians are NOT on the take?
40 posted on 12/08/2019 5:12:21 AM PST by ASA Vet (Make American Intelligence Great Again.)
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