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Posted on 12/05/2019 5:54:22 AM PST by thefactor
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This can be a good training film.
The officer escalated the issue due to ego or lack of training.
For safety of a Police officer they should never enter a house along, unless there is a life or death situation. This is not the 50s anymore.
The Officer did not pick up on this guy being mental challenge or maybe drunk. She could have ask the mother. I believe the mother could have control the son.
The Officer kept yelling at the him, when the mother step in to control him.
This could have been avoided. I see a lawsuit in this case. The Officer needs to fired or transfer to a meter maid job.
The second officer did a good job. Shots were fire, he did not what to expect in the house.
“My point is the situation never should have gotten to that point. She should have taken the mother outside, contained the guy in the house alone, and waited for more officers. She escalated the situation. This will be shown in police academies all over the country as what NOT do to.”
This is what is said when non professionals opine. If she went outside, the jerk could have created a barricaded situation with his mother inside. He could then get his shotgun and you would have a real mess. The male instigated and the mother interferred. I do agree that a taser or mace would have been a better choice.
I agree with you 100%.....Throwing the furniture around was not a threat to the officer but rather a sign of fear, anger and unable to understand what was happening to him........
And by "non professionals" I guess you mean the NYPD and other large departments. Because that is the NYPD's policy with regard to emotionally disturbed persons (which this guy is). You NEVER take on someone 1-on-1 unless you absolutely have to. If you can isolate and contain them until ESU arrives, that's what you do. Which would you rather have? An hour-long standoff where no one ends up getting hurt, or what happened here?
Agree, strongly.
And clearly to me the mother, shielding his body was the right thing to do because the guy was calming down within the embrace of his mother.
For every female officer there has to be a male backup. Which means more police officers on the payroll and pensions.
One thing I’ll agree with the kid on, especially after seeing her arms and hearing the screaming, he is stronger than the officer.
A woman has got to know her limitations.
This case will surely find its way to a courtroom.If I was a juror I'd vote guilty on an attempted murder charge against the white trash punk who resisted arrest and seriously endangered the cop *and* his grandmother.
IMO this case is *all* about a lousy,filthy piece of white trash who,thanks to *his* actions,should be dead right now...despite any mistakes that the first cop might have made.
And BTW...if I was a juror in a civil trial I'd vote "not one dime" for either the white trash punk *or* the grandmother.
Let the grandmother sue the grandson!
Tell me about it, lol. I learned that lesson 21years ago. :)
I assume they will keep her inside from now on or they will charge her with violation of department policy and take some vacation days of suspend without pay. I would be very surprised if she's fired. If you are in a situation where firing is authorized, you aren't held responsible if you hit something you're not aiming for (in this case, the mother).
She screwed up on so many levels. She KNEW he was trouble and a frequent flyer, she identified him upon making contact. Then she lets him go inside the house, then threatens to go hands on with him clearly not intimidated by her badge, firearm or authority. She then has two other family members, who you don’t know what are going to do.
After making the threat to go hands on she doesn’t deploy her taser, doesn’t deploy her pepper spray and then doesn’t go hands on with gusto, I don’t think she could have whipped Urkel in a fist fight to begin with. Then she tries the grabbing thing and shazam he fights back and then comes the deadly force and she can’t hit the side of a barn and is damned lucky he didn’t take her weapon and kill her. The ONLY part of this whole thing done right of when backup comes in, goes hands on and puts and end to this quickly and with appropriate force. She needs to go to Dunking Donuts and get a job or she’s going to end up in the morgue. Her department has a mess on their hands with her clusterf*&*% performance.
I have seen a couple of female officers who could handle themselves in a physical altercation, but most are like her. I watched a little blond officer on Live PD one night whip an old redneck who challenged her in a domestic and then have to fight his slob girlfriend at the same time. She had them both on the ground until backup arrived.
Yes. I assume she will finish out her career doing admin work. If they fire her, she will sue. Either way, no one will ever work with her again. When I was watching the video I was wondering what was taking back-up so long. In the back of my mind I was thinking that perhaps the other officers heard her voice and were “taking their time” getting to the scene.
My brother-in-law is a cop of 30+ years and he hates domestic calls, he says you never know what you are walking into and at times the woman has been beat to hell will take the abusers side and fight the cops when they go to arrest the abuser.
He said on one domestic a 14 yr old male and his mom were fighting and arguing. Him and another officer made entrance and got them separated in the kitchen and they seemed to be calmed down and were talking with him between them. Then out of the no where the 14 year old grabs a butcher knife out of the dish drainer and raises it back over his head to stab my BIL. He said at that point he had upholstered and was about to unload on the kid. All he could think of he said was I was about to blow this kids brains out all over the kitchen in front of his mom or get fatally stabbed. He said he had lined up and was about to squeeze the trigger when the other officer came down with his night stick on the kids arms violently knocking him into the counter and the knife out of his hands. He said the kid was calm, no yelling and gave no indication of violence and just like that he said it went from zero to 110 mph!
My son is an officer at a local university and he says there are two or three you know that even if you call on backup won’t come or will and will be useless. He checks to see who is on duty each shift so he knows if he has backup or not if the call goes out.
Before he became an officer he was armed security and a call went out of a possible student with a firearm in the student center building. Black male, bright yellow hoodie, black backpack. Him and another armed security officer responded immediately and found the lieutenant of the department in the parking lot. The LT says you two go on in and I am going to stay out here and call dispatch to try and get some more information on the suspect. Duh! Black male, yellow hoodie, black backpack, do you want a DNA sample private Pyle? My son and the other guy looked at each other like WTH!
My son told the other guard, pick a floor and I’ll take the other, be listening to the radio or for gunfire. They cleared the building while the LT stayed on his radio the entire time. Luckily it turned out to be a prank call but still they both knew that if that LT is on duty all they have for back up is each other because the LT ain’t getting his butt in danger.
For the record this LT eventually got terminated with this event and he kept bringing loaded firearms to training a nearly killed my son and another officer the year before because he was total cowardly idiot.
In the videos we see of cops shooting when they shouldn't or beating the tar out of someone they shouldn't its' not because they are angry, it's because they are terrified. And there is nothing in this world worse than a terrified cop. It's good your son seems to know how to spot one and avoid them.
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