George Orwell
It appears the Hong Police are putting their Communist Party training to good use:
Posted on 11/27/2019 3:31:33 PM PST by MassMinuteman
[I’m certainly not disregarding the Hong Kong demonstrations.
I’m just saying that this bill conveniently came on the scene right during sensitive trade and other talks with China.
Also, you and I both know that if Trump weren’t President, nobody would be batting an eyelash over the Hong Kong demonstrations or China’s systematic abuse of political prisoners.
They’ve been doing this s—t for decades even in 1989 GHWB still gave them MFN status for trade right after Tienanmen Square Massacre. ]
The meaning of this near-unanimous vote is that China’s sins have finally gotten to the point that we can’t stand aside any more. Xi is now starting to figure out that Uncle Sam has had enough and he won’t take it any more. And if he ignores this warning/ranging shot, he is going to be unpleasantly surprised when Uncle Sam begins to fire for effect.
George Orwell
It appears the Hong Police are putting their Communist Party training to good use:
Right. After President Trump mentioned it last night. He is close to a deal and putting the squeeze on the ChiComs.
Congress passed it a week ago, but President Trump just signed it into law.
Your analogy is completely specious and has no bearing on the defined topic at hand.
The meaning of this near-unanimous vote
Which again, was produced by the majority of Congresscrats who are simultaneously pocketing millions of dollars from the Chinese gov't, and wouldn't have done this if anyone else was POTUS (nor would Hong Kong have gotten extensive media coverage). But Orange Man Bad.
is that China’s sins have finally gotten to the point that we can’t stand aside any more.
China just started imprisoning, torturing, and sending political prisoners to the gulag JUST NOW under Trump? They've been doing this since Chiang Kia-Shek fled to Taiwan in 1948. That Tienanmen Square massacre thingy, and we still gave them MFN status just days later. How do you explain that?
Xi is now starting to figure out that Uncle Sam has had enough and he won’t take it any more.
Yeah, all because of Trump's boss negotiation skills. But he's being backstabbed by Congresscrats because they don't want the evil Orange Man to succeed. Ever hear of Saving Face? That's why Trump has advanced re: negotiation with NK and China than all of his predecessors combined. They don't like to be called out on this when they're probably talking to Trump already about it.
Hong Kong’s Polytechnic Uni after it’s occupation by “Democracy” Protestors.
Some wish to go to Australia to finish their studies. I understand Uni Students in Australia do not want them to come.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1198074940446003200
[Your analogy is completely specious and has no bearing on the defined topic at hand. ]
Coddling China for decades and Congresscrats benefiting from backroom deals and then suddenly becoming concern trolls isn't "opinion." It simply means their gravy train is about to expire and they're desperately taking a cheap shot at POTUS to prevent it.
but we usually give people a threshold of a certain number of offenses before the cell door slams shut forever.
Except nothing was done and business as usual continued after the biggest threshold was crossed in 1989 just days after the Tiananmen Square massacre.
If we gave a damn about Japanese attacks against US shipping, why did we not go after them in the wake of the attack on the Panay?
Again, you are trying to correlate past history into current events that are not relevant nor meet the situation that's unfolding at hand.
Why did we wait until Pearl Harbor? Again - there’s a threshold. Nobody knows in advance what that threshold is, but when it is reached, the other guy will definitely find out.
In a nutshell - I don't CARE what China does with the Uighur Muslims. I don't care what they do internally, their human rights record, etc. I believe Trump has a plan re: Hong Kong and is working it in with the sensitive trade deals with China until Congress had to stick their grubby paws into it. But you can't just knee-jerk and try to submit legislation that puts Trump in a bind, because Asian culture is all about respect and honor. These are very serious, very sensitive negotiations going on here and Congress as usual is f--king it up.
[Coddling China for decades and Congresscrats benefiting from backroom deals and then suddenly becoming concern trolls isn’t “opinion.” It simply means their gravy train is about to expire and they’re desperately taking a cheap shot at POTUS to prevent it. ]
Stop worrying.
China has no choice but accept whatever we offer them.
It’s fine to defend Hong Kong and demand trade capitulation.
Trump 1 China 0...Win!!
You still ignore the fact that Presidents from GHWB-Obama did nothing about China, and even Clinton gave them military technology as we all know.
I support HK, and of course denounce China from cracking down on them. But a Congressional resolution simply isn't the right way to go about this.
I think that’s basically true. We win the game as long as we decide we want to play the game.
Prior to Trump, no American President has wanted to play the game. They all just surrendered. But this time we will win.
Who's worrying? All I'm saying is that Trump likely has this intertwined with any trade negotiations and talks but here you have Congress doing this to put him in a tight spot. This is a cheap political stunt by Congress, who wouldn't have done this if Trump wasn't President. In fact, nobody wouldn't have gave a damn if thousands of HK protesters were massacred if it happened during a President Hillary or Jeb.
[Except nothing was done and business as usual continued after the biggest threshold was crossed in 1989 just days after the Tiananmen Square massacre. ]
Note that Tiananmen Square was ignored with the idea that the Chinese were in the initial stages of reform and Deng Xiaoping was locked in a factional struggle with elements of the party that wanted to return to central economic planning. Bush I was presumably leery of letting China return to what it was - a supersized North Korea.
The theory was that possibility of reform and peaceful democratization existed - the Bolsheviks had been forced from power in Russia, more or less peacefully, after 70 years. Perhaps China’s rulers would similarly fall prey to reformists from within, much as Yeltsin, a member of the Soviet nomenklatura took power. That hope is now moribund. China’s Communist Party has ruled the country for 70 years. It remains dictatorial and, what’s worse, appears bent on territorial expansion. Its grace period is over.
They weren't playing a game.
Politicians in Washington were completely *compromised* and bought and paid for by the Chinese.
Until Trump came along, who has been saying this crap since the 80s that China was ripping us off.
Tienanmen Square wasn't a threshold to you? What is, aside of duplicating a Rwanda-like genocide?
considering Nixon normalized relations with China despite the fact that without China’s copious assistance to North Korea and North Vietnam, most of the 100,000 GI’s killed in the Korean and Vietnam Wars would have survived. That’s not even factoring the mass killings and famines, for which the Party was responsible, that killed tens of millions.
But Nixon was using China to act as a check on Soviet aggression, although I'll concede it was somewhat of a boneheaded move to normalize relations with them. And how would Nixon would have known China would become the superpower it is now (thanks to GHWB and Clinton). Also China played a minuscule, if any, role in Vietnam. Vietnam and China are arch-enemies.
Note that Tiananmen Square was ignored with the idea that the Chinese were in the initial stages of reform
Do you really want me to insert British TV comedian John Oliver's pounding the desk and laughing gif here? Tiananmen Square was ignored because DC had extensive ties to them.
and Deng Xiaoping was locked in a factional struggle with elements of the party that wanted to return to central economic planning. Bush I was presumably leery of letting China return to what it was - a supersized North Korea.
But Bush I put the welcome mat down for China then and their power accelerated when Clinton became POTUS. There was no real opposition from the U.S. gov't to China since the end of WWII, only kickbacks and bribes.
The theory was that possibility of reform and peaceful democratization existed - the Bolsheviks had been forced from power in Russia, more or less peacefully, after 70 years. Perhaps China’s rulers would similarly fall prey to reformists from within, much as Yeltsin, a member of the Soviet nomenklatura took power. That hope is now moribund. China’s Communist Party has ruled the country for 70 years. It remains dictatorial and, what’s worse, appears bent on territorial expansion. Its grace period is over.
Dude, China is the same as it ever was. They are simply pissed that Trump is not playing their game and DC is pissed that their bribes and kickbacks are coming to an end. That's why they concerned trolled Trump over HK with this stupid resolution.
[Tienanmen Square wasn’t a threshold to you? What is, aside of duplicating a Rwanda-like genocide? ]
- There were more than 5,000 “demonstraters” in Tiananmen Square
- China had negligible involvement in Vietnam, as Vietnam is their arch enemy
- Korea? Really a historical anomaly. It’s not a catalyst to why we are in the position we’re in though. So blame goes to GHWB for not being tough on China after the T-Square massacre.
Good point.
Moreover the Chinese have been interfering in us elections since Clinton but that is fine because it helps democrats win.
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