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AOC Inspires (Solar Power) Workers to Form Union; Company Cans Them All
Money and Markets ^ | 11/23/19 | Eugene townes

Posted on 11/23/2019 3:11:11 PM PST by DeathBeforeDishonor1

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To: Dilbert San Diego

My wife and I vacation at the Sandals resorts in the Caribbean. We had reservations last year at the resort in Antiqua. The staff there(almost 600 people) tried to unionize. The top level management at Sandals closed the whole resort. Union problem solved....


41 posted on 11/23/2019 6:43:05 PM PST by caver
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To: Chode

LOL! I was waiting to see the HA HA guy!!


42 posted on 11/23/2019 6:50:49 PM PST by gibsosa
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To: Dilbert San Diego

That is the Only Legal option when employee’s go rogue, FIRE EVERYBODY and sub everything.


43 posted on 11/23/2019 7:02:52 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: gibsosa

happy to oblige 8^)


44 posted on 11/23/2019 7:18:09 PM PST by Chode (Send bachelors and come heavily armed.)
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To: butlerweave

Absolutely true.

When she rises to a further position of power, this model will affect the entire country.

AOC = LOST JOBS

A good protest sign wherever she goes.


45 posted on 11/23/2019 8:18:16 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: philetus

Lol, yep.


46 posted on 11/24/2019 3:29:29 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind
I would have done this even if I would have had to shutdown, change my legal corporation identity, start all over again as a new business entity, and rehire all new as a new business.

Agreed. I have had two unpleasant encounters with union goons in my life, which is two too many. The first one I was a high school kid and lost, and quit my job rather than get my legs broken. The second one was just a few years ago, and I won. I would have shut down my business rather than unionizing, and I would have burned everything I own rather than paying a fine that would go to those thugs. Unions are pure evil.

47 posted on 11/24/2019 3:30:17 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1
"They did everything that a big bad union busting company does. This is exactly what a coal company or any other evil company does.”

Where do they get this verbage? Comic books?

48 posted on 11/24/2019 3:53:15 AM PST by gogeo (The left prides themselves on being tolerant, but they can't even be civil.)
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

Instant Karma’s gonna get you.....


49 posted on 11/24/2019 4:01:44 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

The loophole is they let them go to change their business structure by going with subcontractors..going union wasn’t a stated reason...better economic/business model was the stated reason....the side that lives by subterfuge also dies by subterfuge.


50 posted on 11/24/2019 4:03:49 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: Pollster1

Yep, there may have been a time when they were needed for basic workplace safety. But now they are completely out of hand and want far too much, it has greatly hurt this country. Just look at how inept and dysfunctional government is as a first example, and it is because of unions. Unions are parasites and slowly suck their host organizations to death in one way or another.


51 posted on 11/24/2019 4:08:35 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: trebb

Just not bending to union extortion is a “better economic/business model” in it’s self.


52 posted on 11/24/2019 4:19:47 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: asinclair

“What the article misses is that those 12 employees are now free to form their own company or companies, and win sub-contracts with their former employer.”

This is absolutely true given they did not sign a non-compete. But there is a huge difference between unproductive union mentality employees and productive business owners. The dedication, sacrifice, and self investment is just not there to be successful with their own business. When they punch out, mentally they want to be “off work” until they have to punch back in again. And when clocked in they do no more than they absolutely have to (not my job according to my union agreement), just enough to say they have showed up for work. As where owning your own business you have to live, eat, and sleep business 24-7 to make it be productive and successful, you are never “off work”.


53 posted on 11/24/2019 4:38:00 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

It wasn’t just workplace safety, but pay issues as well (overtime, lunch breaks, etc.); these were all addressed by subsequent laws, so the unions basically outlived their usefulness. Now they just protect bad workers and drive the cost of labor far above the market rate.

In the iron mining region along the NY/NJ border, people worked 6 1/2 days per week - and when the mines closed, they left with little more than the clothes on their backs. Too many owners would gladly return to those days, but our laws prevent it - so they moved to countries where they can still do it.


54 posted on 11/24/2019 4:55:53 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: DeathBeforeDishonor1

25,012 jobs lost so far because of this genius.

AOC is the new Wiley E. Coyote. But the Democrats still say shés a genius as they go off a clifff.


55 posted on 11/24/2019 5:17:50 AM PST by seawolf101 (Member LES DEPLORABLES)
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To: kearnyirish2

I agree, of course there were some positive human respect issues to prevent what you could almost call slavery and indentured servitude such as the old “company store” situation. But as you say it is out of hand because it has become both unproductive and unsustainable. Inflated salaries and benefits, higher pay for less productivity, forced retirement pay at 80% of working wages that nets zero productivity, etc.

When a company is forced to pay out 85%-90% of their profits in salaries and retirement it becomes unsustainable. And when the taxpayers get stuck with the write offs and have to bail out that union it becomes a cost for everyone. At that point now everyone is indirectly paying into a union, member or not, company or not, as taxpayers. This in turn adds to the debt our Great Grandchildren will have to cover someday.


56 posted on 11/24/2019 5:30:53 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

——“It makes business sense to return to a fully subcontracted solar installation model.”——

The employees were terminated because they simply were no longer required


57 posted on 11/24/2019 5:35:06 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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To: Openurmind

Some of those mine workers left in the dead of night because they still owed the company store; they were living in company housing, and simply packed up personal items and headed off.

A great example of taxpayers funding unions (besides the obvious teacher/cop/firemen ones) would be the fact that government workers (including cops) drive union-made American cars - even if they aren’t the best suited for the job. Then the Detroit bail-outs cost taxpayers dearly, for what in many cases were inferior vehicles.

In the end, if an owner can’t enrich himself for taking the risks of operating a business, then he simply won’t do it.


58 posted on 11/24/2019 5:36:46 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: asinclair

“The upside is they can decide if they want to bid on a job or give it a pass. The downside is that any bid they put in will have to be competitive.”

Yep. Build in all the union perks, bennies, time off, payscales. They would be lucky to land within an order of magnitude of a winning bid.


59 posted on 11/24/2019 5:42:36 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Openurmind

Yep - the post I was responding to mentioned it might be illegal to fire them for unionizing - but the company got around it by changing its business model...could be a way for other companies to get rid of unions and maybe return to a different model once the union folks are cleared out.


60 posted on 11/24/2019 7:18:30 AM PST by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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