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Trump declares Navy will not take away Eddie Gallagher's SEAL Trident, as attorney blasts admiral
Fox News ^ | November 21, 2019 | Nick Givas

Posted on 11/21/2019 7:32:46 AM PST by jazusamo

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To: 17th Miss Regt; SunkenCiv

But, but, but this admirable admiral was admired by Obola and Obola’s “entire” administration of admirable admirals and generals and LCol Pickerman. (Er, Vendeman)


81 posted on 11/21/2019 10:47:50 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE
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To: Sparky1776; All
I just sent a,not to the Prez suggesting he fire Adm. Collin Green for insubordination.

www.WhiteHouse.Gov/Contact

82 posted on 11/21/2019 11:02:41 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Or a Lt. Commander.


83 posted on 11/21/2019 11:11:36 AM PST by Tucker39 ("It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." George Washington)
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To: jazusamo

YES!!!

I love it!!!

Go President Trump!!!

Now the Admiral who tried to this needs to go.


84 posted on 11/21/2019 12:52:31 PM PST by Enlightened1
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To: HamiltonJay

He was found guilty of taking a photo with a dead corpse. No one else was charged for it including his superior. Another man admitted on the stand that he in fact killed the guy and not Gallagher.


85 posted on 11/21/2019 1:00:03 PM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: Redwood71
This has been the problem with all the threads on this topic. He was convicted through a general court-martial under the UCMJ, and was sentenced for his actions.

The problem with your post is the one sidedness. I saw no mention of prosecutorial misconduct. Where does that factor in?

86 posted on 11/21/2019 1:21:22 PM PST by gogeo (The left prides themselves on being tolerant, but they can't even be civil.)
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To: gcparent

I know that, but if you bothered to research a bit more, you would find this guy had been accused by a lot of folks around him of doing a lot of bad crap. Far beyond the killing of this one man.

The prosecutors badly mishandled this case... but that doesn’t mean this guy is a saint.. not even close.

This guy has been accused by several of his peers of killing innocent people, and being bloodthirsty.

I could care less honestly if he killed or didn’t kill some ISIS terrorist in the most heinous way possible, but if he was in a was zone blowing off the heads of civilians for kicks, which he has been accused of, this guy is a sociopath and snapped.


87 posted on 11/21/2019 1:27:08 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: taxcontrol

“Were you aware that the JAG prosecutors hack into the defense legal team’s computers by using malware? As soon as that was discovered the case should have been thrown out”

He was demoted for taking pictures of a dead ISIS fighter and bragging about the way he killed him with a knife. He was demoted for his actions and properly so. In one photo shown to the jury, Gallagher is holding the detainee by the hair with one hand and his knife in the other.

The military has a list of do’s and don’t’s for combat operations. Rules of engagement (ROE) are the internal rules or directives among military forces (including individuals) that define the circumstances, conditions, degree, and manner in which the use of force, or actions which might be construed as provocative, may be applied. They provide authorization for and/or limits on, among other things, the use of force and the employment of certain specific capabilities. In some nations, ROE has the status of guidance to military forces, while in other nations, ROE is lawful commands. Rules of engagement do not normally dictate how a result is to be achieved, but will indicate what measures may be unacceptable. The above photo actions clearly violate that rule. It is, at the least, a lawful order and further reflects on Article 92, failure to follow orders.

The Navy’s decision to start the original process to oust Chief Gallagher and three SEAL officers who supervised him was not made in haste, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations. The commander of Naval Special Warfare, Rear Adm. Collin Green, discussed the matter with Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer and the chief of naval operations, Adm. Michael Gilday, and the Navy briefed Defense Secretary Mark Esper about it.

What he did to get demoted, and possibly lose his career field, was public and there is no question. He is lucky he got his rank back but he embarrassed the SEALs by his actions and clearly displayed a lack of control and created a display of questionable trust. And he is a supervisor of numerous troops and has an appearance to maintain.

For what he was demoted for, there was no question. He supplied his own case against him and deserved to be busted. And he very well has created a problem with joint support for the Navy SEALs from other members and countries for this appearance of violation.

Even he admitted it. He’s lucky, but it ain’t over for him as the MEB may decide the whole thing finding him disqualified from his career field, and forced into retirement at 20 years with a general discharge under honorable conditions. However, if he keeps his nose clean, it will be at chief.

rwood


88 posted on 11/21/2019 1:30:07 PM PST by Redwood71
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To: HamiltonJay

Trump has been accused on many things. It doesn’t mean it’s true. Remember Biden truth over facts. Gallagher was found not guilty of the other charges. He was only found guilty of the photo. That’s a fact.


89 posted on 11/21/2019 1:35:38 PM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: HamiltonJay

My bigger issue is the ass hat admiral trying to undermine his commander in chief.


90 posted on 11/21/2019 1:37:18 PM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Fire the shit for insubordination, suspend all benefits, hold him for a court martial, and not in that order.


91 posted on 11/21/2019 7:22:53 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures)
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To: gogeo

“I saw no mention of prosecutorial misconduct.”

Unless the prosecutors outrightly violated an article of the UCMJ that was pertinant to the offence and article being exercised, it has nothing to do with the violation. A court martial is not like a trial that can be thrown out for a generic mistake.

A Working Group was established in 1978 to evaluate and adapt the Federal Rules for use in military courts-martial. The Working Group’s philosophy was to adopt each Federal Rule verbatim, making only minor wording changes to incorporate military terms and procedure or in cases where military necessity required deviating from the Federal Rules.

In this case, whereas it is not an unlawful act to take pictures of the ISIS fighters and display a knife to be used to possibly simulate the kill, it deviates from Article 133 and Article 134 which can destroy military discipline and trust to harm interservice and country needs.

“The problem with your post is the one sidedness.”

If I read this comment right the difference between your theory on court-martial and mine is that I’m not sure you understand the differences. If this case had been a civil trial, it would have been handled differently. I have been involved with C-M’s for half my life before I was forced to retire. They are very dry and single topic directed. And depending on what the prosecutors are going after, will even determine if there is even a plea bargain possibility at all.

Everything in a court-martial is baby steps. In this case, there is no word that I’ve found about the three superiors to Chief Gallagher that were also going to be brought to court-martial. It is possible they were offered Article 15’s, or even counseling letters at different levels.

It should also be noted that all the other charges have been dropped except those under the articles of 133 and 134. And he admitted he was wrong on those and an embarrassment.

How do you think I should feel for a member that is found guilty and demoted for his unprofessional actions that, in my mind, are going to cause problems down the road? In the business, we have enough trouble trying to contain the enemy, let alone our allies and/or ourselves. And he is still guilty by court-martial of the offense he was found so. He was just given back his rank. And I think Trump is wrong for his trying to keep him in a career field he has done so much damage to in this instance. And we don’t know if this is the only time, either. He should be removed from the career field for lack of performance in this area and the “black eye” he gave the SEAL’s in the eyes of the world.....to include those that depend upon his judgement.

rwood


92 posted on 11/21/2019 8:02:12 PM PST by Redwood71
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To: jazusamo

By also using Twitter, and not just a firm written order to Adm. Green, Trump is communicating to all military service members that he will stand up for them.


93 posted on 11/21/2019 8:47:14 PM PST by octex
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