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Judge strikes down Florida law that has listed GOP candidates first on ballots for 20 years
The Orlando Sentinel ^ | November 15, 2019 | Steven Lemongello

Posted on 11/16/2019 11:03:41 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It will be challenged in court .

This clown is the fed judge the dems used for the Fl recount three times .

41 posted on 11/16/2019 1:03:26 PM PST by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists h)
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To: All; Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The fun part is this was a DEMOCRAT passed law back in 1951. Dems took full advantage of it until low energy Jeb won the FL governorship in 1998. There were 10 Dem governors, 2 GOP in that time--a few died in office, like Lawton Chiles.

Now that Republicans are winning in FL--four governors in a row--Dems find the advantage they gave themselves for four decades is now UNFAIR!!!! /crybaby

42 posted on 11/16/2019 1:04:40 PM PST by newzjunkey (Vote Giant Meteor in 2020)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Will it be appealed?


43 posted on 11/16/2019 1:05:24 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: sphinx
Ballot order does make a difference. This has been understood from time immemorial.

How utterly stupid can people be? If I were in charge, a lot of people (of whatever party) would be turning in their voter registration cards, because they don't deserve them.

44 posted on 11/16/2019 1:07:06 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me the people who own the land, the guns and the money, and I'll show you the people in charge.)
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To: Brilliant
They will .

The Slantenel is far lefty rag and ignores that part .

This same Obama Radical lefty judge was overturn during the recount .

45 posted on 11/16/2019 1:07:13 PM PST by ncalburt (Gop DC Globalists h)
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To: marktwain

I hope so.


46 posted on 11/16/2019 1:07:25 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me the people who own the land, the guns and the money, and I'll show you the people in charge.)
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To: Brilliant

It’s interesting that you ask because for the first 40 years of the law the Republicans were the disadvantaged. The law was passed in 1951 by Dems.


47 posted on 11/16/2019 1:13:05 PM PST by newzjunkey (Vote Giant Meteor in 2020)
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To: DarthVader

There are many studies that show that ballot order does make a difference.


48 posted on 11/16/2019 1:25:35 PM PST by david1292
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To: Repeat Offender
How come Myth doesn't have any balls?

He is as compromised as any other flaming RINO, and more so. Back in 1967, while an intern for Kentucky Senator John Sherman Cooper, Myth somehow [sarc] managed to get into the Army National Guard, at that time a common method for the politically connected to avoid the VietNam war. As a result of his conduct while in the Guard, he faced a Court Martial. His mentor [Senator Cooper] was never proved to have made the charges and perhaps even Myth's enlistment obligations go away, but, so the story goes, go away they did. Myth was immediately free to return to Senator Cooper's office,and did so. Documentary evidence for Myth's specific violation of the UCMJ, the charges against him, and their sudden and mysterious disappearance have surfaced very briefly in one of Myth's early campaigns. Suffice it, Myth, once rescued from disaster [and thus totally compromised even before he was anointed], did not scruple to wallow in the toxic slime of the Washington swamp, from his first day in office. In the pantheon of Washington scum, he rates very high indeed.

49 posted on 11/16/2019 1:34:38 PM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.)
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To: SkyDancer
I think the incumbent should be listed first.

I think the incumbent should be listed LAST.

Some states vary the order by precinct. A candidate has the same chance of being listed first as any other on the average.

This does complicate counting, but eliminates any order bias.

50 posted on 11/16/2019 1:39:38 PM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; flaglady47; Trump Girl Kit Cat; Liz; oswegodeee; Bob Ireland
Having run for Illinois public office in 12 primaries and in 12 generals over the span of a couple decades (I'm now retired in sunny Florida) let me tell you that having the name of a candidate or his/her name/party printed FIRST on the list of candidates for the same office DOES make a difference.....without going into the several explanations why. But there IS a great advantage.

The best answer for fairness in name placement on a ballot that I can think of should be that names/party affiliations should be ALTERNATED in printing the ballots in some fair manner (ballot-wise, precinct-wise, whatever). I think this solution is already being used in various places and in various ways across the fruited plain.

In all my filings for public office I had to participate in an official pulling-of-straws along with scores of other candidates for various offices. The drawing took place in the County Clerk's office. City, state and county newspaper photographers would show up to snap pictures at the big event....because a "first place" drawing would guarantee a first place spot in the drawer's particular political office category....and placement could sometimes mean failure or success in close elections for candidates......and, likewise, political parties in the whole.

A lot of suspense was goin' on at these drawings!

Leni

51 posted on 11/16/2019 1:43:51 PM PST by MinuteGal ( MAGA ! ! !....MAGA ! ! !....MAGA ! ! !)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; All
”[…] stating it violates both the First and 14th amendments of the Constitution."

In addition to 1st and 14th Amendment concerns about voting ballots, the referenced judge also needs to question the constitutionality of state winner-take-all laws for electoral votes since they seem to violate 12th Amendment (12A) procedures for processing electoral votes imo, the states surrendering their power to make such laws in that amendment.

The judge also needs to question why the states are limiting elector choices for POTUS to nominees of the constitutionally undefined political parties (Mark 3:24) since 12A doesn’t limit elector choices.

Excerpted from the 12th Amendment: "The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President [emphasis added], and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice- President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; […]"

In fact, note that the constitutionally undefined presidential primaries are a product of the anti-constitutional republic Progressive Movement of the early 1900s, the ill-conceived 17th Amendment and other progressive era amendments also ratified in that era.

United States presidential primary (History)

Next, since most of the states, under the boots of the constitutionally undefined political parties, are arguably violating 12A in identical ways, the judge also needs to question if the states are violating the Constitution's “Agreement or Compact Clause” (1.10.3), the Founding States making that clause to prohibit the states from entering agreements or compacts without first getting permission from Congress.

"Article I, Section 10, Clause 3: No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State [emphasis added], or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

Finally, note that the states have never expressly constitutionally given ordinary voters the specific power to vote for POTUS like they have for members of Congress.

In other words, the so-called power of citizens to vote for president is as politically correct as the phony civil rights protected by the unconstitutional Civil Rights Act of 1964 (CRA) and its associated titles imo, the main purpose of CRA probably to keep corrupt, post-17th Amendment ratification career lawmakers in power.

Regarding CRA, note that the states have never expressly constitutionally given the feds the specific powers to make laws that protect on the basis of race and sex if such laws aren't directly related to voting issues.

Are we having fun yet? 8^P

Corrections, insights welcome.

Remember in November 2020!

MAGA! Now KAG! (Keep America Great!)

52 posted on 11/16/2019 1:49:36 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This NEEDS TO BE APPEALED TO THE 11th CIRCUIT COURT of Appeals IMMEDIATELY.

There are 12 judges on the 11th CCA, evenly divided between Republican appointees and DemocRAT appointees. Next week (week of November 18) there are two Trump nominees (one of whom will replace a Clinton judge) to this court who will have their confirmation votes.

There’s a 3rd Trump nominee (Andrew Brasher) to the 11th CCA who is awaiting his hearing before Lindsey Graham’s Judiciary Committee. IMHO, Brasher is destined to be a SUPERSTAR Constitutionalist judge.

Again, Florida, IMMEDIATELY APPEAL this atrocious decision by this Agendanista Obama judge.


53 posted on 11/16/2019 1:56:07 PM PST by House Atreides (Boycott the NFL 100% — PERMANENTLY)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Funny thing is democrats fought for this when they had the democratic governor. You are right. Democrats fight.


54 posted on 11/16/2019 1:58:14 PM PST by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: Deplorable American1776

Between this and a million felons voting. Made it harder for republicans to win.


55 posted on 11/16/2019 2:01:41 PM PST by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: null and void

In any case people should know whom they are voting for not just party.


56 posted on 11/16/2019 2:02:22 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Since the judge based the decision on the First and Fourteenth Amendments the GOP should check to see if there are similar laws that advantage Dems in other states and get those thrown out.


57 posted on 11/16/2019 2:02:27 PM PST by Brilliant (David E. Peterson)
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To: SkyDancer

Agreed. There should also not be a straight ticket option.


58 posted on 11/16/2019 2:05:43 PM PST by null and void (Convicted spies are shot, traitors are hanged, saboteurs are subject to summary execution...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Put the names side by side then.

If people are that stupid to only vote for people listed first, then they need to never vote again.


59 posted on 11/16/2019 2:17:02 PM PST by Bommer (2020 - Vote all incumbent congressmen and senators out! VOTE THE BUMS OUT!!!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Really Lowell Wackjob’s Party was the Anti-Connecticut Party. Arrogant Bastard he was. Screwed up Connecticut, especially the ‘Lets Rob Connecticut’s Taxpayers Act’, which ushered in the downfall of Connecticut as a great state to live in...


60 posted on 11/16/2019 2:36:46 PM PST by Deplorable American1776 (Proud to be a DeplorableAmerican with a Deplorable Family...even the dog is, too. :-))
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