UK consumers will expect EU standards in FTA - Hogan

rte.ie ^ | 13 Nov 2019 | Tony Connelly

[Berlin_Freeper]

Ireland's EU commissioner Phil Hogan has said British consumers will expect the UK to sign up to the EU’s labour, environmental and food standards as part of a free trade agreement for which he will be chief negotiator next year.

Giving an upbeat prediction of how quickly the trade negotiations could be concluded, Mr Hogan, the EU Trade Commmissioner-designate, said the EU would be ready to go "before St Patrick’s Day" next year,.

However he said the UK would have to decide early on in the negotiations which EU rules they were prepared to sign up to.

Speaking to RTÉ News, Mr Hogan said: "The British public will demand and expect that their government will sign on to EU standards because we have the highest standards in the world."

[Berlin_Freeper]

Didn’t take long for the EU to start cracking the whip on the UK Vassal State.

This is exactly what our President Trump was talking about when he called Farage and complained that Boris’s humiliating capitulation to the EU would impede the trade deal he wants to make with the UK.

Unfortunately days later Farage also caved.

[Berlin_Freeper]

bookmarked for the Bojo and Farage cult.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Ireland's EU commissioner Phil Hogan has said British consumers will expect the UK to sign up to the EU’s labour, environmental and food standards as part of a free trade agreement for which he will be chief negotiator next year.

Nice touch by the EU making an Irishman the arm twister. That won't go unnoticed in London.

[Berlin_Freeper]

UK was just a few short weeks from Real Brexit (Oct 31).
Bojo traded places, now Real Brexit is dead in a ditch.

[867V309]

Bojo traded places, now Real Brexit is dead in a ditch.

so are france and germany (dead in a ditch).    germany feeds off the carcass of france, italy, greece, and other EU vagrants, who declare police no-go zones, and make it illegal to report the truth..     sadly they are trying to finish-off england too. with all the moslem imports there it shouldn't be that hard.

paris is the san francisco of europe-.....eventually nobody will want to go there

[kevao]

British consumers will expect the UK to sign up to the EU’s labour, environmental and food standards

The Brits knew what they voted for in 2016. No, not every single exacting detail of the post-Brexit "New World." Only that representative democracy would return to the UK.

The 1975 referendum was to join a customs union -- not a Brussels-imposed political project, which is what the EU has insidiously become. When some 75% of your laws and regulations are imposed by a foreign entity, then your citizens no longer have redress with their parliamentary representatives, and you are no longer a free country. Indeed, you're not even a country.

Since the Brexit vote in 2016, I've been bewildered by how many FReepers are pro-EU. In our domestic context, we're all generally in agreement about limited central government, devolved powers to localities, and national sovereignty -- particularly in regards to US borders and immigration.

And yet a surprising number of FReepers seem to think the Brits are crazy to break away from the EU. We were part of NAFTA, yet nobody on this forum would ever accept that 75% of our laws would be imposed by Ottawa or Mexico City!

Crazy Brexiteers? If it weren't for some crazy people who broke away from Europe for a "New World" a couple hundred years ago, there would be no USA today. And if the UK cannot exist separate from the EU, then what does that say about us?

[Berlin_Freeper]

That was weird.
But I hope you feel better.

Btw, let’s compare the body counts to just Chicago.

[Berlin_Freeper]

The UK won’t be at the seat shaping those laws and regulations but will be expected to accept them. Worse than being in the EU as Farage was saying less than a week ago.

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Yes and the Labor laws in particular can be used as a quasi immigration scheme which once again works against one of the reasons why so many want to leave

[Berlin_Freeper]

Farage has lost his grip on reality.
Most unfortunate timing for that...

And in an incredible admission he hinted that he would be prepared to vote for Boris Johnson’s party himself, as he lives in a Tory constituency.

Asked on the campaign trail in Ilford on Wednesday whether he could vote Tory personally, Mr Farage said: ‘I want to see the manifesto. Let me see what is in the manifesto.

‘I’m hoping and believing that what Boris said last Sunday is going to be in the manifesto.

‘If that is in the manifesto then the deal as was is about to be changed in quite a big way.’

He later tried to u-turn tweeting: ‘No, given the way the Conservative Party have behaved this week - I could not vote for them.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7681309/300-Brexit-Party-candidates-stand-election-vows-Nigel-Farage.html

[kevao]

The UK won’t be at the seat shaping those laws and regulations but will be expected to accept them. Worse than being in the EU as Farage was saying less than a week ago.

Only if that deal, which is merely Theresa May's deal with a little bit of lipstick, is approved. Let's hope the good people of the UK can get that blocked and go for a clean, hard Brexit!

[Cronos]

"The 1975 referendum was to join a customs union"

That's false

The UK already joined the EC in 1972

What was it leaving to join the EC? The UK left the EFTA - the European Free Trade Association

What was it joining? An association formed with the explicit statement (in it's very first statement) of "ever closer union"

The UK in the 1950s joined with Norway, etc. to form the EFTA, an explicitly Free Trade ONLY union

In contrast Benelux + GErmany + France + Italy joined the EC which had explicitly stated an "ever closer union"

In the 1960s the UK and the EFTA economies lagged, while the EC economies zoomed.

The UK tried THRICE to get into the EC and de Gaulle said NON twice. The third time was after he left.

The UK knew it was joining a political union.

the people in 1975 to STAY in a political union.

“But whatever the economic arguments, the House will realise that, as I have repeatedly made clear, the Government’s purpose derives, above all, from our recognition that Europe is now faced with the opportunity of a great move forward in political unity and that we can and indeed must — play our full part in it.” Prime Minister Harold Wilson, 2 May 1967.

How can anyone say they didn't know?

Let's repeat - this is what was reported in the press before the referendum

“The community which we are joining is far more than a common market. It is a community in the true sense of that term. It is concerned not only with the establishment of free trade, economic and monetary union and other major economic issues, important though these are — but also as the Paris Summit Meeting has demonstrated, with social issues which affect us all — environmental questions, working conditions in industry, consumer protection, aid to development areas and vocational training.” Source: Illustrated London News. Prime Minister Edward Heath, December 1972

The headline of the NO campaign literature in 1975 said: “THE RIGHT TO RULE OURSELVES
The fundamental question is whether or not we remain free to rule ourselves”

Those were the guys who said "Vote NO" -- how can ANYONE say the British did not vote to stay in a political union???

[Cronos]

"When some 75% of your laws and regulations are imposed by a foreign entity"

That's false

from here

Essentially, there are two main kinds of UK law. Acts of Parliament, also known as statutes, and statutory instruments, which flesh out how a statute will work.

There are also two main types of EU law. There are EU regulations, most of which apply automatically in all 28 EU member states - so most EU regulations are part of UK law.

Then there are EU directives, which set out an aim for member states to achieve. They don't specify how to achieve it, but directives have to be implemented by a national law. The UK normally does this through a statutory instrument.

between 1993 and 2014 Parliament passed 945 Acts of which 231 implemented EU obligations of some sort.

t also passed 33,160 Statutory Instruments, 4,283 of which implemented EU obligations. Add both of these together and divide by the total number of laws passed, and you get the 13% figure.

In short that 75% is nonsense - blatantly false, as false as the Ukraine faux allegations.

[Cronos]

"are imposed by a foreign entity" is also blatantly false

The EU has regulations and directives. Directives are "implement this how you see fit" and regulations are, well, regulations

However BOTH are implemented explicitly with the UK's go-ahead.

A regulation can be passed only by a majority in the EU parliament - and the UK has 73 members there and by the EU "presidency" i.e. the 28 heads of government where each has a veto - the UK is intrinsically a member who decides on what or what not to become regulation.

There is zero "imposition" and there is no "foreign entity" - there is the club in which the UK has a veto power

[Cronos]

"We were part of NAFTA, yet nobody on this forum would ever accept that 75% of our laws would be imposed by Ottawa or Mexico City!"

Neither NAFTA regulations nor EU regulations are "imposed"

The statement in post 4 shows zero reading on how regulations are made - in fact NAFTA and EU regulations have parallel ways of coming into force

In both cases the members agree on the regulation - if any one member vetos, then the regulation doesn't happen. Brussels is only where the heads of government meet - but they can veto anywhere.

[Cronos]

If it weren't for some crazy people who broke away from Europe for a "New World" a couple hundred years ago, there would be no USA today. And if the UK cannot exist separate from the EU, then what does that say about us?

That's a non sequitor. the 13 colonies were just that, colonies - they didn't have a vote in parliament, forget about a veto

In contrast the UK is a member of the EU, akin to Montana being a member of the union. And the UK has both a legislative membership and a full veto.

No parallel at all.

[Cronos]

And if the UK cannot exist separate from the EU, then what does that say about us?

Finally, the UK or rather England-Wales can "exist" outside the EU of course - no one denies that. California can also "exist" outside the union.

The only thing is that it will be painful and difficult to separate

What makes it even more complex is northern ireland - the UK pledged in the 1990s to keep the borders open; yet it didn't want to put the border in the Irish sea

Boris plan puts the border in the Irish sea while keeping NI in both the UK legally and in the customs union. So win-win

[Cronos]

Boris is going to get a majority and then he passes the deal in parliament and the UK gets May Boris deal