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To: 100American; Alberta's Child; Fai Mao
What’s less certain, however, is whether Hall's education in Detroit’s long-troubled school district was so awful, so insufficient, that it violated his constitutional rights.

Article VIII, Michigan Constitution

Text of Section 1:
Encouragement of Education
Religion, morality and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged

Text of Section 2:
Free Public Elementary and Secondary Schools; Discrimination
The legislature shall maintain and support a system of free public elementary and secondary schools as defined by law. Every school district shall provide for the education of its pupils without discrimination as to religion, creed, race, color or national origin. Nonpublic schools, prohibited aid.

The Michigan Constitution says that the state shall provide each student a free education. It does not say that the student will be educated. The only way a student will be educated is if the student himself desires to be educated and puts fort the effort to be educated. The duty to do so is that of the student and the parents (if any).

Since the onus is on the student to be educated it would be impossible to hold the state responsible for the education of a student and it would be damaging to society to try to do so.

The old adage ‘You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink’ applies.

88 posted on 11/01/2019 10:27:20 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit)
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To: Pontiac

Nice try...

If you really understand what passes for Curriculum (Common Core, Whole Language and the like) I think you might take a different stand

Maybe, but my take away from your response is the education is there if you will only accept it

What a farce

I was married to a teacher or almost 20 years and keep very close tabs on the quality of that which is provided and methodologies. I was blessed to attend the best High School in the Chicago Public School System and the rigor and quality was intense. Go look it up, Lane Tech High School. It was primarily a Vocational school and you had to apply to be admitted. It too is being softened to meet “social norms” and the ranking of what was once the top school in Illinois is now down in the mid 200’s

So please cease with the Poor Teachers nonsense and let’s all get serious. The creed of an Educator is to do so and not just have butts in seats indoctrinating them on condoms on cucumbers and social engineering. If you think that school is as good or better than it was say 20 years ago you are sorely mistaken.

In professional education at a corporate level the pressure is on to produce competent people to insure that the function they take on is done well. Yes, I have been involved in that realm for decades and my standards for the teachers and curriculum was very demanding. I managed it not only for the company I worked for but partners and affiliates as well. So take these poor teachers and apply the same rules, what quality of student are you producing. If you turn out consistently lower scores versus others teaching the same you are the problem

Where I played was International and so students were trained using the exact same curriculum to a high standard of excellence, it was mandatory.

The system is broken and there is no denying it, unless we change it generations of poorly educated snowflakes will be ripe for the picking by Democrats who offer them anything to get their vote

So, Pontiac, I await your response in hope that you understand the teachers job is to teach and if the student is incapable or challenged then they must take action to move them to a teacher who can deal with it. That is their role in the whole system as it has been for decades. If they cannot do it then they need to find another vocation


92 posted on 11/01/2019 11:00:21 AM PDT by 100American (Knowledge is knowing how, Wisdom is knowing when)
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To: Pontiac

“The old adage ‘You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink’ applies. “

Untrue. YOu feed him salt and you can make him drink


100 posted on 11/01/2019 4:41:22 PM PDT by Fai Mao (There is no rule of law in the US until The PIAPS is executed.)
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