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Gun Grabbers Misleading Us
Townhall.com ^ | October 30, 2019 | Walter E. Williams

Posted on 10/30/2019 5:51:42 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: ThunderSleeps

“Like the author, I am very concerned about what their plans are for us once we lack the means to potentially resist those grand dreams.”

Same as the Turks’ plans for the Armenians.

All evil flows from the same toxic spring.


21 posted on 10/30/2019 8:14:50 AM PDT by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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To: Kaslin

If I take the time to attempt to discuss with gun grabbers I will start with...

Have you EVER sexually assaulted or raped anyone?

If answer is no, I will say that we are going to cut off your ‘tallywacker’ to help cut down on rapes.

THEN they (rightfully so) say that is foolish.

Well I have never shot anyone so how does taking away MY gun help?


22 posted on 10/30/2019 8:20:33 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98"HRC is the Grandmother that lures Hansel & Gretel to the pot")
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To: Yo-Yo

***Let’s gloss right over the National Firearms Act of 1934.***
The only reason the Miller Decision passed muster is Miller never showed up to contest the SCOTUS case on the 1934 firearms act. It seems he was by then dead.

He had tried to go from Oklahoma to Arkansas to rob a local bank, using a sawed off shotgun. The shotgun was what the case was over.
https://www.oyez.org/cases/1900-1940/307us174

The record shows that no arguments were made and no evidence presented on behalf of Jack Miller or the Second Amendment. The Justice Department attorneys were able to present their case without any opposition.

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0801/0801usvmiller.htm

Jack Miller, a bank robber and moonshiner with many enemies, felt the need to carry a sawed off shotgun without paying the tax.

He and his associate, Frank Layton, had the misfortune to be caught transporting it from Oklahoma to Arkansas and were arrested in June of 1938 by federal agents on charges of violating the Firearms Act.

Miller had no resources to finance his argument against the government’s appeal and it is doubtful that he had any interest in defending Constitutional rights. In fact, he died before the decision was rendered.

His body was discovered in April of 1939, with multiple .38 caliber bullet wounds. His own .45 pistol lay by his side with four rounds expended. Perhaps he had a legitimate need for that shotgun after all.


23 posted on 10/30/2019 8:26:45 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Kaslin
Probably as good a time as any to recommend my book, Resistance to Tyranny.. It's a manual on how to conduct an armed revolt. Get it from Amazon before it's banned.
24 posted on 10/30/2019 8:27:06 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Colonel (Retired) USAF.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
BTW, here is what you could get through the mail in 1967:

Those lamps are better than the Leg lamp in "A Christmas Story"

25 posted on 10/30/2019 8:35:35 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To: MCSETots
I believe I once saw a Sears ad from the twenties or thirties era for a fully automatic Thompson sub-machine gun. As I recall, the price was under $200!

When looking at that price, you also have to keep in mind that a Model-A Ford was $500.

26 posted on 10/30/2019 8:42:46 AM PDT by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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To: xrmusn

Dr Suzanna Hupp said it best, directly to Schumer and congress;

https://youtu.be/SK2-XkLqyQI


27 posted on 10/30/2019 8:57:22 AM PDT by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Thanks for the information.


28 posted on 10/30/2019 8:59:06 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Wildbill22

Penn and Teller said it even better;

https://youtu.be/P4zE0K22zH8


29 posted on 10/30/2019 9:02:20 AM PDT by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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To: Kaslin

Liberal logic:
12,000 gun homicides per year - outlaw guns.
70 drug deaths per year - legalize drugs.


30 posted on 10/30/2019 9:06:40 AM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: Wildbill22

Me neither.


31 posted on 10/30/2019 10:53:07 AM PDT by sauropod (I am His and He is Mine)
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To: Wildbill22

That look on Schumer’s face says it all.

Start by DEFUNDING all armed protection for THEM and make it so they ‘lose’ their right to carry once elected to anything.

I can ‘dream’ can’t I?


32 posted on 10/30/2019 11:14:54 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98"HRC is the Grandmother that lures Hansel & Gretel to the pot")
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To: aimhigh

12,000 gun homicides per year - outlaw guns.
70 drug deaths per year - legalize drugs.


I think you have your statistics confused, or perhaps I am confused. What you state would argue for more gun control.
I would bet that the drug abuse deaths in the homeless/drug camps under underpasses in California alone would be in the thousands. Maybe more than the total gun homicides.


33 posted on 10/30/2019 12:49:23 PM PDT by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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To: Wildbill22

Boy, I sure blew that. It should read;

Liberal Logic:
12,000 gun homicides per year - outlaw guns.
70,000 drug deaths per year - legalize drugs.


34 posted on 10/30/2019 7:39:56 PM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: Kaslin
Their calls for more restrictive gun laws are part of a larger strategy to outlaw gun ownership altogether. You have to wonder what these people have in store for us when they've eliminated our means to defend ourselves.

Nah. No real doubts about it. But there IS a remedy:

U.S. Code § 2384:

Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

35 posted on 11/02/2019 10:40:20 AM PDT by archy
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"The only reason the Miller Decision passed muster ..."

The Miller decision was lied about for 70 years by the lower courts.

The Supreme Court was presented by the government with two arguments to justify the National Firearms Act of 1934.

One argument was that a person needed to be a member of a militia in order to be protected by the Second Amendment.

The other argument was that a weapon must be useful to a militia in order to be protected by the Second Amendment.

The Miller Court didn't even respond to the first argument. If they had, they would have found that Miller was not a member of a militia and the case would have been decided against Miller. It would not have mattered what kind of arms he was keeping or bearing.

What the Court did decide was that the second argument was valid. That is, a person, whether or not that person is a member of a militia, may keep and bear arms that are useful to a militia. The Court did not have evidence regarding the usefulness of a short-barreled shotgun. For that reason, they remanded the case back to the lower court for further litigation.

Neither Miller nor his co-defendant Layton was available for further trial, so no further litigation occurred.

Many lower federal courts LIED about the Miller decision for the next seventy-five or so years, claiming that the Second Amendment protected a "collective right", presumably of organized militias.

The Heller Decision in 2008 established that the Second Amendment protects a personal right (similar to the Miller decision) but expanded the Miller decision to include weapons useful for self-defense. This would be in addition to arms useful to a militia.

36 posted on 11/02/2019 11:54:54 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: zeugma

True. And, although the price of new Fords is about $23K and up, I can still buy a new Ford - not through Sears, but . . .

Maybe, since Sears is going out of business, they might have some old stock from the thirties they need to dispose of . . .


37 posted on 11/05/2019 8:01:16 PM PST by MCSETots
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