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but it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another.

Aka Hecklers' Veto.

Let the debate begin. Hate speech has a less violent, but nearly as damaging, impact in another way: It diminishes tolerance.

As in quoting the Bible on sexual mores.

As I expected the man reeks of elite credentials: Princeton and Oxford educated including Rhodes scholar. The most ironic item is he led the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia. Now he wants to eviscerate the Bill of Rights.

1 posted on 10/30/2019 4:36:36 AM PDT by C19fan
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It says a lot about the low quality of our government officials when they have traveled all over the world and chatted with countless foreign diplomats and yet those foreign diplomats are still ignorant of why we have a 1st amendment.


28 posted on 10/30/2019 5:13:47 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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Who decides what is hate speech? Speech doesn’t cause violence. Anyone who responds with violence to free speech is an enemy of the Constitution. Erosion of our civil liberties and 1st Amendment rights is dangerous.


29 posted on 10/30/2019 5:17:51 AM PDT by kabar
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Calling me a Nazi is hate speech.

Accusing me of white privilege is hate speech.

Calling me a homophobe is hate speech.

Calling me a racist is hate speech.

OK, maybe the law isn’t such a bad idea...


31 posted on 10/30/2019 5:23:25 AM PDT by JusPasenThru (Phuque all Democrats.)
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Great! Let’s ban communism as hate speech! Communists hate everyone who isn’t a commie.


32 posted on 10/30/2019 5:24:10 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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When Putin said back in 2014 that there were no Russian troops in Crimea — an outright lie — he knew our media would report it, and we did.

When Putin said this, some American media reported it. Other American media reported the obvious fact that there were Russian troops in Crimea.

The real point is that no Russian media reported that there were Russian troops in Crimea. That is the reporting Putin really cared about. He wanted to keep his own people in the dark.

Not everything revolves around suburban soccer moms in Maryland.

Not every bit of free speech is good. That has never been the test. The point is that if free speech is suppressed, the people doing the suppressing will be able to control what people know. This is dangerous. There is no amount of suppression of the truth that is a good thing, and it is impossible to suppress speech without also suppressing the truth.

This is pretty basic stuff.

33 posted on 10/30/2019 5:24:39 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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See, this is exactly why — when the News Misleadia calls for the abolition of the Second Amendment, and conservatives sardonically threaten the First — I object.

The liberals ABSOLUTELY WANT TO DO AWAY WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT TOO.


34 posted on 10/30/2019 5:27:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (We can be called a racist and we'll just smile. Because we don't care.)
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Rather than a Hate Speech law, America needs the destruction of The Washington Post’s offices and presses.

Progressive rabble rousing is much more destructive to America than undefinable hate


35 posted on 10/30/2019 5:27:18 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. N.C. +12) Progressives are existential American enemies)
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Even the most sophisticated Arab diplomats that I dealt with did not understand why the First Amendment allows someone to burn a Koran. Why, they asked me, would you ever want to protect that?

Because some stupid judge decided that action(s) is(are) the equivalent of speech. So if you can burn an American Flag, you can certainly burn a Koran.

ML/NJ

36 posted on 10/30/2019 5:27:23 AM PDT by ml/nj
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“Public sentiment is everything.
With public sentiment nothing can fail.
Without it nothing can succeed.
He who molds opinion is greater
than he who enacts laws.”
— Abraham Lincoln


37 posted on 10/30/2019 5:29:40 AM PDT by ProudDeplorable (Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. ~ Ronald Reagan)
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Of course, he’s wrong.


38 posted on 10/30/2019 5:31:29 AM PDT by Hugh the Scot (I won`t be wronged. I won`t be insulted. I won`t be laid a hand on. - John Bernard Books)
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We should thank this author for one thing. He is telling us how our enemy thinks, what his goals are.

He is also telling us what he is afraid of. He is afraid of the truth.

41 posted on 10/30/2019 5:34:06 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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So we shouldn’t burn a koran but Hollywood celebrates a homofascist actor who tore pages out of hotel bibles that didn’t belong to him and civic venues had to endure Brian Warner Mary Manson ripping up Christian Bibles and eating their pages on stage at hate rallies under the guise of “Concerts”.

The Left is obvious.


43 posted on 10/30/2019 5:40:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Recall that unqualified Hillary Clinton sat on the board of Wal-Mart when Bill Clinton was governor)
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So Auntie Faaaaahs would be locked up for inciting violence against groups? Lynch mob attacks with rocks and sticks on peaceful people?

Not in this Leftist world.


44 posted on 10/30/2019 5:41:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Recall that unqualified Hillary Clinton sat on the board of Wal-Mart when Bill Clinton was governor)
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Really so the open avocation of violence against Trump Supporters by the members of the Democrat Fascists in the US House should be prospected as “Hate Speech” Washington Compost?

Another day another example of how it now is the Democrat Fascist Party.


45 posted on 10/30/2019 5:44:44 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (They would have to abandon leftism to achieve sanity. Freeper Olog-hai)
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Okay, the left gets to enforce hate speech laws, while the right enforces treason laws.

And anyone who enforces hate speech laws is guilty of treason.

Let’s roll this out and see who wins.


46 posted on 10/30/2019 5:53:43 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Teach a man to fish and he'll steal your gear and sell it)
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There should not even be hate speech laws.

There are already laws dealing with assault and vandalism, etc.

Being offended by what someone else says does not qualify as a crime.


47 posted on 10/30/2019 5:53:44 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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The Washington compost is the very embodiment of hate speech. And yet, I don’t advocate that it be outlawed. I advocate it be used for bird cage liner and fire starting material.


49 posted on 10/30/2019 5:55:24 AM PDT by karnage
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I’d bet big money tht this clown had no such ideas when the speech being protected was the “artistic statement” known as “piss Chr*st”. I’d bet it never entered his mind to enact laws against free speech then. But then, I’m sure he knows full well that Christians don’t commit violence in retaliation to the sacrillege against our symbology, Holy Book, etc.


50 posted on 10/30/2019 5:57:33 AM PDT by mrsmel (I wonÂ’t be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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America needs common sense licensing and regulation on Commercial Speech for Compensation or Gain, with Severe Penalties for Deliberate False Statements made for compensation or gain while engaged in Commercial Activity.


51 posted on 10/30/2019 5:58:34 AM PDT by eyeamok
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Hare speech laws are just as unjust as hate crime laws. The ‘hate’ is defined by whatever offends the person making and passing the law. So, it is not objective at all.


54 posted on 10/30/2019 6:05:38 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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