Posted on 10/25/2019 9:04:30 AM PDT by Libloather
Automatic emergency braking will be standard in most cars in 2022. The technology is expected to cut the number of rear-end crashes in half, but hundreds of drivers say sometimes the system slams on the brakes – apparently for no reason.
CBS News found reports of several accidents and injuries that drivers blamed on false activations of emergency automatic braking systems. Safety advocates and carmakers say in the vast majority of cases it works, but it is not perfect.
For Cindy Walsh, getting behind the wheel of her 2018 Nissan Rogue raises her anxiety level. Since she bought the SUV new last October, she told CBS News correspondent Kris Van Cleave it has slammed on the brakes three times for no clear reason when she said there was no risk of a collision.
"The first one, I was driving down a four-lane highway going about 55 and it completely came to a complete stop," Walsh said. Now she said she's scared to drive the car, so she doesn't drive it.
Walsh took it to the dealer each time. Twice, she said, they told her they fixed it.
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[[I hope there is a shut off switch]]
Can’t even shut off the ‘anti-theft’ crap on the ignition- costing us 100’s of dollars to replace keys these days-
They should have a rear warning label for starters.
I have the feature on my new 2019 Toyota Corolla. Fortunately, it can be turned off, which I have done. Car manufacturers should ALWAYS allow the driver to be the final decision to override a “feature”.
OMG! The turn-over possibilities! Yikes.
The first 39-car pileup caused by these and our tort bar will pick their bones clean.
These automated cruise and braking systems are already far safer than human. That’s just a hard cold fact. We’ve pretty much finished a decade with no US domestic airline crashes. The far and away biggest reason is that in airliners, nearly the entire flight is completely automated and the pilots basically monitor systems.
I don’t like it, and it isn’t the answer for everything, and I love shifting gears. But automated braking and automated following distance and lanehold is orders of magnitude safer that people driving, and will only get more so.
One thing that really angers me with car MFG (mostly driven by safety NAZIs at the DOT) is “crash-safety design”.
Why? Because every newer car I get/use, has MORE “crash-safety” stuff built in that OBSTRUCTS ALL MY VIEW!
They are SO intent on saving us if we’re IN a crash, that they’re making it more likely we’ll BE IN a crash!
Yes, I’m talking headrests getting bigger and bigger, the pillars all getting fatter and fatter (last year I ALMOST got t-boned because at just the right intersection set-up, at just the right time, I COULD NOT SEE the car coming and I cut him off, unbeknownst until I passed by).
“The far and away biggest reason is that in airliners, nearly the entire flight is completely automated and the pilots basically monitor systems.”
I’m not sure who told you that, but let me assure of my 51 years in aviation,the last 35 in aircraft modifications and certification - that they are completely full of crap. It is called PIC (pilot in command) and the aircraft CANNOT override anything he tells it to do.
The entire problem that Boeing is up to its neck in right now was two foreign PICs that instead decided to let the aircraft tell them what to do. They and their passengers are dead because of it.
>> there were no cars or other hazards in front of me.
Nothing visible anyway...
I never had any of mine hit the binders for no reason (only had one case where a car jumped a light and came from a side street and the auto braking hit them a millisecond before my foot hit the brake), but have had some initial warning beeps for no visible reason that didn’t result in automatic braking...they say some stray RADAR signals can cause the system to wake up.
I had a car with the adaptive cruise control that would automatically slow and speed you up if you were in traffic with cruise on...had a case where the car wanted to accelerate through a Camaro that was ahead of me....all I can figure is it had a RADAR spoofing device that made it invisible to my car.
They can all be handy if one doesn’t decide to do a mental fuzz out and rely/trust in them instead of paying attention.
The ghost in the car stopped short.
I won’t buy a new car for this and a hundred other things they think I need added to every car.
Very different situations.
Airplanes are 3D moveable, and already controlled by radar so are expected to be miles apart by the standard system. There are almost NEVER mid-air collisions or even multiple-craft crashes on the ground.
Cars are 2D basically, and right next to each other all the time YET highly flexible in movement within that 2D (trains are best to have auto systems, as they are 1D and also highly monitored/monitorable from the outside, better than airlines).
There are so many variables that it just isn’t worth risking these “high-tech” things that ultimately, are failing to consider all the things a human brain has to consider. The humans who make them don’t always consider all that.
I’d like to see data for your “cold hard facts”. And BTW, they won’t be very good, because dozens of factors can feed into the results that you can’t control for.
I’m still not used to the lane keeping feature on my new Jeep. Feels like control is being taken away and I reflexively fight it.
Vehicle computer module hackers will figure out how to disable it.
Personally I don’t even like anti-lock brakes. Can’t stand getting pushback from the brake pedal. Rear anti-lock on pickup trucks isn’t too bad though.
You are incorrect. On both accounts. Airline pilots are no longer hand flying except in exceedingly rare cases and you know it. I do too sport.
And the MCAS issue was not a foreign pilot issue, although that helps you whistle past the graveyard I suppose. Boeing designed a system that took control away, concealed the system from the pilot, and pulling breakers and turning off autopilot ENGAGED MCAS again.
Had the AOA sensor (single point of failure) failed on a Southwest flight, we would have had the Lion Air or Ethiopia crash here. We didn’t due to pure dumb blind luck. Also, although pilots don’t enjoy it, US carrier maintenance is far better.
Boeing built a crappy plane. It’s just a fact.
And yes, automation of flight is why you are safer in an airliner today by far. When the throttles are advanced, it is the norm that the pilot only monitors and fine tunes systems until landing.
But thanks for playing
The computer should sense you are swerving off center of the lane to miss the skunk carcass that if you run over you will spend days getting the smell out of your car.
With all this automatic stuff, how are people going to learn to drive to start with?
Driver-assist auto-braking at present has some oops moments but will get better year by year as the automobile engineers tweak it to improve it.
I plan to buy a new SUV in 2020 and will get the one with all the driver-assist safety features then available. I’m an older driver and my oops moments are self-inflicted so a bit of help will be OK.
Accident 2
Disabled system, gained control of aircraft,
re-engaged system, lost control again
Repeat items 1 and 2 twice more until aircraft hits the ground.
Numerous failures of the system within the Continental US
- Handle as normal trim runaway - no fatalities.
There must ALWAYS be a PIC in the cockpit.
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