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Dangerous but disarmed: How Florida has confiscated thousands of guns
Tampa Bay Times ^ | 10/22/19 | Sue Carlton

Posted on 10/22/2019 7:06:02 AM PDT by Brilliant

In a bustling Tampa courtroom, a lawyer is making the case for keeping guns out of the hands of a man named Anthony Ballard.

Judge Ron Ficarrotta flips through court paperwork and reads the alarming details: How a friend said Ballard, 30, showed him a violent and graphic video of a gunman shooting down patrons in a bank.

Ballard told his friend: “This will be me one day. I’m gonna be the greatest mass shooter. I’m gonna shoot the most people ever and be famous for it.”

The file recounts how deputies tracked Ballard down and how he begged them to shoot him. They took him into custody under Florida’s Baker Act, which allows someone who appears to be a danger to himself or others to be held and evaluated. As they did, Ballard talked about the massacre in March at two mosques in New Zealand. He referred to the shooter as “his people.”

In court, Marc Makholm, attorney for the Hillsborough Sheriff’s Office, sums it up: “There’s no reason for this person to have a firearm.” The judge agrees, signing his name to an order that says Ballard must turn in any guns he owns and not have any others for a year.

Next case: A man accused of threatening to shoot up a Walmart near Tampa the day after a gunman opened fire at a Walmart in El Paso and killed 22 people.

Welcome to Florida’s Risk Protection Court, created last year to take guns from people judged too dangerous to have them.

Once, this would have seemed unlikely in the “Gunshine State,” known for lawmakers in lockstep with the National Rifle Association. But since Florida enacted its “red flag” law in March 2018, thousands of guns - handguns, shotguns, hunting rifles and the kind of semi-automatic weapons used in mass shootings across America - have been given up or taken by authorities.

The tipping point: Seventeen dead at Parkland’s Marjory Stoneman Douglas High. The law was signed weeks later...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: guns
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1 posted on 10/22/2019 7:06:02 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

As much as I hate the idea of using red flag laws to disarm law abiding citizens, a man who goes around bragging to his friends about being the next world record holder in mass shooting, is NOT someone I want to see have a gun or access to guns.

The problem is that those are the people the gun control crowd will march out every time as evidence for a gun ban.


2 posted on 10/22/2019 7:10:24 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: wbarmy

Completely agree. That’s some serious next level stupid.


3 posted on 10/22/2019 7:12:09 AM PDT by BBQToadRibs
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To: Brilliant

Who is keeping track of the obvious abuse of this Redflag law?


4 posted on 10/22/2019 7:12:20 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Brilliant

Thousands of guns taken away. Are there that many monsters on the loose in Florida?


5 posted on 10/22/2019 7:15:39 AM PDT by oldbrowser (The government did not create the people. The people created the government..)
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To: wbarmy

Exactly. A balanced report would have included a couple of cases where someone swore that a person they didn’t like made wild statements. The judge is always going to error on the side of taking the gun away. Nothing bad happens if he does...except the person loses his right to bear arms! /s


6 posted on 10/22/2019 7:21:04 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: G Larry

Who is keeping track of the obvious abuse of this Redflag law?

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Shouldn’t the NRA and other gun rights groups be doing that?


7 posted on 10/22/2019 7:21:21 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: wbarmy

Taking away the guns is a patch. This guy belongs in a nuthouse... where he probably wouldn’t be granted weapons access as a matter of policy.


8 posted on 10/22/2019 7:21:35 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: wbarmy

The problem is that those are the people the gun control crowd will march out every time as evidence for a gun ban.

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The other side is, if these red flag laws work, then other gun restrictions can be eliminated for the law abiding and sane.


9 posted on 10/22/2019 7:22:52 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: Moonman62

I’ve seen several abuses reported in general, but I’m looking for data in each Redflag state.


10 posted on 10/22/2019 7:23:43 AM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

This guy belongs in a nuthouse... where he probably wouldn’t be granted weapons access as a matter of policy.

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True. The protection order has to be renewed every year.


11 posted on 10/22/2019 7:23:44 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Charity comes from wealth.)
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To: Brilliant
Just how much of this so called evidence is actually truthful and how much is just heresay and how is made up verses how much is just over zealously embellished just for the purpose of taking someones guns away because the complainer simply doesn't like said person or that person having any guns at all? These Red Flag gun laws are a real slippery slope for the 2nd Amendment and our rights as Americans.

Additionally if someones firearms are forcefully taken then they should be justly compensated for them at prevailing market prices.

12 posted on 10/22/2019 7:25:18 AM PDT by Ron H. (Gab.com)
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To: Brilliant

Sue Carlton cannot be counted on to give a balanced report. She is as anti 2nd Amendment and anti conservative as they come. Keep these truths in mind as you read her writings.


13 posted on 10/22/2019 7:26:05 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (Make America Great. Prosecute Dems who break the law!)
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It sounds like Floridah has THOUSANDS of loons living there. Currently transitioning from the “Gunshine State” to the “Loonshine State”. That’s good. Keep them all there and keep confiscating their guns. That’s fewer loons for the rest of us to have to worry about.


14 posted on 10/22/2019 7:29:31 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (You can vote your way into socialism but you have to shoot your way out of it.)
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To: Brilliant

Does the NICS system get updated? We had a mass shooter here that was not suppose to get guns by court order but the court never updated the system. The same type of people that run the DMV are in charge!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_IHOP_shooting


15 posted on 10/22/2019 7:30:02 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Beware the homeless industrial complex.)
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To: Brilliant

“There’s no reason for this person to have a firearm.”

You don’t need a reason in this country...F head.


16 posted on 10/22/2019 7:30:04 AM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneoWhat will it take to get her investigated for immigration fraud involving a marriage t)
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To: Brilliant
Some of the members on some of the gun forums to which I subscribe will strongly disagree with the enforcement described in the OP.

I am not one of them, fortunately. Some people quite simply should not have firearms. Or edged weapons. Or the freedom to walk around free.

17 posted on 10/22/2019 7:30:17 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: oldbrowser
"Thousands of guns taken away. Are there that many monsters on the loose in Florida?"

This explains "Florida Man..." on twitter.

18 posted on 10/22/2019 7:33:54 AM PDT by alancarp (George Orwell was an optimist.)
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To: Moonman62

>>True. The protection order has to be renewed every year.

Yes, but shouldn’t the guy have been given the right to a trial by a jury of his peers? Presumably, making threats of violence is a crime for which these nutjobs COULD have been properly prosecuted while maintaining civil liberty protections. Star courts should not be tolerated.


19 posted on 10/22/2019 7:37:38 AM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ~you/base)
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To: Brilliant
In court, Marc Makholm, attorney for the Hillsborough Sheriff’s Office, sums it up: “There’s no reason for this person to have a firearm.” The judge agrees, signing his name to an order that says Ballard must turn in any guns he owns and not have any others for a year.

Well this is just stupid.

This person shouldn't be walking free in society. It's not about the means (firearms), it's about his desire to kill.

He can do his evil deeds with a truck. Are these precient judges going to take away his drivers license? Oh, wait - he could still steal a vehicle and drive into a crowd even then.

Lamebrain gun haters have such narrow vision, thinking to take away his guns will alleviate the threat.

20 posted on 10/22/2019 7:40:21 AM PDT by grobdriver (BUILD KATE'S WALL!)
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