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So why is the parliament so opposed to a no deal Brexit?


26 posted on 10/20/2019 12:13:59 PM PDT by FRinCanada2 (JOIN the worldwide fight against Human Traffickers !)
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To: FRinCanada2

>>So why is the parliament so opposed to a no deal Brexit?<<

I’m going to guess that some people are making money from the current setup.


28 posted on 10/20/2019 12:38:27 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others.)
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To: FRinCanada2
So why is the parliament so opposed to a no deal Brexit?

There are lots of reasons.

That's the problem in a nutshell.

Parliament is not divided in two on this issue - if it was simply one side versus the other, we'd have a resolution by now.

Either Britain would be out. Or Brexit would have been cancelled.

I'd prefer the former - but the latter is certainly something Parliament has the constitutional right to do.

If they had the numbers to do it, and they don't.

The majority of MPs are, in fact, probably willing to vote for some form of Brexit.

But the problem is they all have to vote on the same form.

Or at least 50%+1 of them do.

And that is what isn't happening.

Some want 'No Deal'.

Some have particular issues that if those single issues were addressed, they'd vote for Brexit, whatever the rest of it was.

There are people who don't care about anything except maintaining freedom of movement - they'd vote for everything else if it was agreed British citizens could still travel freely in Europe, and EU citizens could still travel freely in Britain.

There are people who don't care about anything except a Customs Union - they'd vote for everything else if that was agreed.

There are people who only care about cutting immigration - do that and they'd agree to everything else.

But there are others who would agree to everything except a cut in immigration...

And the biggest problem is some of these people still feel they can get what they want - if there's more time.

So they will push for a delay.

There are others for whom their motivations could be entirely selfish, too.

But a lot are actually trying to get what they regard as a good result for their country.

They really are.

I've been involved in trying the UK out of Europe for close to twenty years. For me, the core issue is sovereignty - I believe British sovereignty is somewhat eroded by its membership of the EU, but the real risk is that eventually it could be lost completely. So I want out now, to stop that happening.

If I was an MP, I would have spent the last two years trying to get a Brexit deal that included Britain staying in a customs union with the European Union - because I believe in freedom of trade, and free markets - Britain joined a Common Market and if the EU had stayed just a Common Market, I wouldn't want to leave - but over time it has become more than that and the stated aim is 'ever closer union'.

I would have also probably supported continuing to allow freedom of movement between EU countries and the UK - although not freedom of settlement.

But I would have wanted the UK out of the European Parliament and a clear understanding that European laws never supersede British law in Britain and never can.

This is what I'd have been trying to get for the last two years.

Would I, today, vote for the deal Johnson has presented to Parliament? Reluctantly, yes. With ten days to go, there just isn't time to get what I would want. And my view is better out than in.

Would I, today, vote for 'No Deal'? Yes, reluctantly, yes. Same reasons. With ten days to go, there just isn't time to get what I would want. And my view is better out than in.

But I can't pretend it would be my ideal solution.

38 posted on 10/20/2019 8:44:12 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: FRinCanada2
Because the majority of British people are opposed to a "no deal" Brexit.

There is a slim majority for a kind of Brexit, but many have the idea of a Norway style Brexit - as the LEAVE campaign talked about in 2016

Here's Nigel Farage saying "wouldn't it be terrible if we were like Norway and Switzerland"

err.. hint - he wants the UK to be like Norway, which

  1. follows EU rules
  2. pays into the EU budget
  3. follows EU trade policy
  4. has free movement of goods, services, people and capital

So the leave campaign said they wanted a DEAL, not a no-deal.

45 posted on 10/20/2019 9:27:21 PM PDT by Cronos (Re-elect President Trump 2020!)
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