Skip to comments.The Defeat of Kurdistan Maoists
Posted on 10/15/2019 4:22:07 PM PDT by WWII_Historian
The Kurds should thank the short-sighted strategists of the DNC for Turkish aggression. Hong Kong residents are also paying for the short-sighted policies of the American Left, who, for the past three years, have been trying to expel the legally elected president from the White House. Their (untrue) signal that Trump is about to be overthrown has been heard both in Beijing and in Ankara.
But Turkey made a serious mistake they attacked civilians. Of course, television footage of these crimes and further bullying of civilians by Turkish troops in Northern Syria cannot be compared with what the Russian occupation troops were doing in Northern Georgia and Eastern Ukraine. However, all you see the media cover are the events in Northern Syria. The suffering of the Kurdish people is at least sympathetic, and the suffering of Georgians and Ukrainians is ignored. Why?
Because in the north of Syria, there are not just unknown Georgians and Ukrainians who are suffering, but the ideological comrades of the American Democrats the Marxists of the Kurdistan Workers Party.
The Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) is a group that the United States, Turkey, and most Western countries view as a terrorist organization. The PKK is a neo-Marxist party that professes a so-called Democratic Confederalism. Their main goal is to establish an independent state of Kurdistan, based on the ideas of Mao Zedong. Their primary weapon is terrorism. The ideology of the PKK is an explosive mixture of Maoism and Sharia. PKK branches (under different names and different levels of fanaticism) exist in all countries where the Kurds historically liveTurkey (HDP, HUDA-PAR, PKK), Syria (PYD / YPG, ENKS), Iran (DPIK, PJAK), and Iraq (KDP, PUK, KDSP, KIU).
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So who are the bad guys? We should let allah sort it out.
“The ideology of the PKK is an explosive mixture of Maoism and Sharia. PKK branches (under different names and different levels of fanaticism) exist in all countries where the Kurds historically liveTurkey (HDP, HUDA-PAR, PKK), Syria (PYD / YPG, ENKS), Iran (DPIK, PJAK), and Iraq (KDP, PUK, KDSP, KIU). “
If the author thinks they are speaking of the PKK today, they present a dud of generalization, misinformation and innuendo.
Not surprised; he’s a lawyer appointed to the DOJ by Obama.
The Kurds were our ally by convenience for our “war” in Iraq.
I'm sure the Kurds would be falling all over themselves to help us out if we got into a war with Iran.
Do you have a source on him working for Obama? You may be confusing his name with Gary Gensler.
Also this is not the first time we’ve heard of PKK as maoist and/or affiliated with antifa:
“An anarchist revolutionand the Americans volunteering to defend it.”
Turkey and the Kurds: Its More Complicated Than You Think
Wait, I’m confused, here you said this:
“The winners among the Kurds will be the most radical elements, as more moderate leaders are disgraced.
The PKK did not come out of a vacuum of true grievances.”
Yes, the PKK founder had some Marxist philosophy in him. But, today, within Turkey and elsewhere many inside the PKK, and among the many different Kuridsh parties, have a range of mere socialist to moderate democratic notions. Even Ocalan himself has moderated his political views - not to be confused between domestic politics and the views of political autonomy for Kurds.
And yes, people tend to the most extreme solutions when they are consistently thwarted from obtaining political ends by more moderate means. We have it right here within Conservatism.
And yes, there was no vacuum of true grievances when the PKK started. There was plenty of true grievances. The PKK founder advocated violence and total independence from Turkey - he didn’t have to have Marxist leanings to have that view; the Kurds had tried many moderate ways with Turkey to obtain some autonomy for themselves, with little to no results. Others disagreed with Ocalan. Slowly over the years, Ocalan has gravitated to a more moderate position, some measure of autonomy (as in Iraq), over full independence. Peace talks between Turkey and the PKK have been held off and on since 2010-15. A few times it was thought Ocalan and Turkey had reached some agreement, only to see that not happen. The Kurdish fighters in Syria have been led by YPG units, yes, as they are the most experienced, but not all the Kurds fighting with them belong to the YPG. Even among the YPG they have differing political views outside of fighting to gain or protect some measure of autonomy over their lands.
But, if they are wedged between oppression from Assad and continued political suppression inside Turkey, again (even democratic politically moderate Kurdish politicians have been arrested without trials by Erdogan), then yes, the most radical “solutions” will gain among more Kurds in Syria.
Yes. I looked up Gary “Grindler” in error. Mea Culpa.
The author tries to make some connections by innuendo. For instance: 1. The IRPGF is not the YPG and not the primary leaders and largest Kuridsh group fighting in Syria. 2. ISIS and the Kurds were not fighting together against Assad, the Kurds were fighting ISIS. The rest is one tangent after another, and again not linked to the largest and main Kurdish led organization in Syria.
Ditto the next link you posted after that one. Someone was trying to build up the IRPGF as more than they are.
Some bored antifa nut wants to fight for a cause, so he goes to Kurdish controlled northern Syria, to fight, so the innuendo is the Kurdish fighters are part of antifa. B.S.
The writer makes two errors in describing the Kurds:
1. “There is Syrian territory on Turkeys border that the Kurds are occupying”. To the Kurds it is there land. How can a people be said to be “occupying” there own land. It was there land before the Turks even arrived in Anatolia, and it was there land under the Ottomans, who gave them a lot of local autonomy (as long as they respected that the Ottomans ruled and did not rebel), and it was there land when the Brits defeated and broke up the Ottoman empire, and promised the Kurds their “national self determination”, which the Brits reneged on, drew their own maps of the new states and appointed a crony on a throne they created for him over the new Syria. What has been a consistent pattern of Syrian rulers since then? Forcibly moving more Arabs and Turkomen into the area and forcibly moving Kurds to anywhere in Syria where they’d be a minority.
2. Ethnic Kurds do not have a state. They live in contiguous parts of Syria, Turkey, Iraq, and Iran. Most are integrated into these countries, but many are separatists.
“Most are ‘integrated’.” What that mostly means is suppressed and pacified because they don’t want to be killed or go to jail. That is the case in Turkey and Iran and it was the case in Syria before. Yet even in Turkey if you get into politics as a moderate person, that does not mean Erdogan will not arrest you without a trial. It happens to Kurdish politicians all the time. And how many Kurds are there in Turkey? 12 million. Erdogan may be right from his view to be afraid, but that is a condition of Turkey’s own making in not federalizing the state from the beginning with an autonomous province of the Kurds. Then Turkey would have Kurdish friends instead of Kurdish enemies.
Thank you for your explanations.
Some sources would help.
Here is one reference:
Notice in that one alone the indigenous existence of the Kurds in their area PRIOR to the arrival of the Seljuk Turkomen that led to the Ottoman Empire.
Later, even that Empire made more of an accommodation and sometimes even alliance with the Kurds, leaving them much more autonomy than modern Turkey, Iraq or Syria ever have.
There are other sources that recognize some of tribal elements of Kurds all the back into Roman times, before the modern designation as “Kurds”.
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