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To: billorites

But I have to ask: Were laws broken?

What the Bidens did is sleazy and bad. I think it should be illegal. But I also think that it isn’t currently illegal.

Their sweetheart deals ought to turnoff all decent voters -— but all the decent voters are already voting for Trump. So, politically, as well as legally, it seems possible that the Ukraine/China/Romania stuff won’t matter.


4 posted on 10/15/2019 6:50:10 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (If White Privilege is real, why did Elizabeth Warren lie about being an Indian?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

So, politically, as well as legally, it seems possible that the Ukraine/China/Romania stuff won’t matter.


Agree. If Hillary’s home brew classified bathroom server didn’t matter neither will this.


5 posted on 10/15/2019 6:53:20 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: ClearCase_guy

“So, politically, as well as legally, it seems possible that the Ukraine/China/Romania stuff won’t matter.”

Hillary was sunk when Trump tied her to corruption. Crooked Hillary rings a bell?

There is a large number of independent voters sensitive to this topic.


7 posted on 10/15/2019 6:55:36 AM PDT by Helicondelta (Deplorable)
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To: ClearCase_guy
But I have to ask: Were laws broken?

What the Bidens did is sleazy and bad. I think it should be illegal. But I also think that it isn’t currently illegal.

It is illegal for executive branch employees to do what Joe did.

But, he was not an employee. He was elected.

So the law does not apply to him.

13 posted on 10/15/2019 7:05:37 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
But I have to ask: Were laws broken?

Influence peddling is a crime.

14 posted on 10/15/2019 7:05:57 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: ClearCase_guy

But I have to ask: Were laws broken?


Who got the money?

Did Hunter keep all the money or did any of it end up in his father’s pocket, or how about if the money was “walking around money” for Senators.

Bribery is a crime. At least it should be investigated and people questioned and bank records looked at.


15 posted on 10/15/2019 7:07:24 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (I am not an expert in anything, and my opinion is just that, an opinion. I may be wrong.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It may or may not be illegal here, but China has a way of dealing with corrupt officials—the penalty there is death.

Can you say “extradition”.

Yes, I thought you could.


20 posted on 10/15/2019 7:14:35 AM PDT by cgbg (Vote Trump or you will _be_ Trump)
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To: ClearCase_guy

”What the Bidens did is sleazy and bad. I think it should be illegal. But I also think that it isn’t currently illegal.”

I sure hope that blackmail committed by Joe Biden is illegal.


22 posted on 10/15/2019 7:22:50 AM PDT by 728b (Never cry over something that can not cry over you.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Likely not and you’re right.

However, what it may do is prevent Biden from winning primaries. They will eat their own before we even have to fight them.

Without Biden on the ticket, I really don’t think the Dems can win. WAY too far left are Bernie and Warren. And Bernie’s heart issue will likely matter.


28 posted on 10/15/2019 7:41:47 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
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To: ClearCase_guy

> “Were laws broken?”

That leads to a democrat talking point which is false.

Don’t fall for it.

Hunter B was put on contract at more than $50k per month. That’s Ok, it may pass a legality check if it gets past a corruption review but as you say it doesn’t smell good because he had no experience and did not speak the language. So you and democrats can ride on that one.

But Rudy Giuliani, a former Mayor and before that a tough prosecutor who took down the world’s most powerful Mob, declares more than $3 million stolen from Ukraine and laundered from Ukraine to Latvia to Cyprus, then NYC to an account held by Hunter B. Rudy declares it is illegal and there is plenty more where laws were broken..

Who will you believe?

A democrat talker who says “it was not illegal” or a former tough prosecutor that says he has evidence that laws were broken.

Of course, the state media want you and all their viewers to believe it’s much ado about nothing.


30 posted on 10/15/2019 7:47:12 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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Joe BiteMe pushed forth a 6 hour quid pro quo threat to fire a son’bitch prosecutor investigating his son’s sugardaddy or else he’d withhold a billion in US aid.

If it is questionably legal that Trump did this to Ukraine Biden hangs from his boast of doing even worse.


33 posted on 10/15/2019 7:59:36 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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The question is whether or not a salary to a child who is otherwise unqualified to receive it is a de facto emolument laundered through the child.

If yes, then it is unconstitutional to receive it.

-PJ

34 posted on 10/15/2019 8:03:26 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Freedom of the press is the People's right to publish, not CNN's right to the 1st question.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
But I have to ask: Were laws broken?

We shall see. There are so many laws these days that I'm sure they'll find something to hang it on.

That is pretty much besides the point though. Trump really likes assigning nicknames to frame his opponent. I think he needs to switch to "Quid Pro Joe" for Biden to keep the issue at the forefront of people's minds. Also, make the point over and over that if it had been him, as a businessman making the kind of threat that Joe is on film having made, it would definitely be illegal. Drive that hard. Finally, to shoot a cannonade across the bow of the professional political class in America, start asking why such a thing is legal for the political class, but not for the rest of us. The families of the professional political class have been making billions off of their influence for decades. Why is that legal? He should pound on that like a drum every single day.

49 posted on 10/15/2019 9:02:53 AM PDT by zeugma (I sure wish I lived in a country where the rule of law actually applied to those in power.)
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The real crime in DC is what is legal - but Biden may have run afoul of the Hobbs Actg
50 posted on 10/15/2019 9:10:45 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: ClearCase_guy
But I have to ask: Were laws broken?

You can be assured if it were one of President Trumps children they would find one.

51 posted on 10/15/2019 9:10:48 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: ClearCase_guy
It is called “influence peddling” and it is against the laws of the United States.
53 posted on 10/15/2019 9:21:22 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard (Power is more often surrendered than seized.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Perhaps your correct. Nothing says we can’t pummel them hard and often up until Election Day or until plugs drops out.


61 posted on 10/15/2019 10:53:09 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
What the Bidens did is sleazy and bad. I think it should be illegal. But I also think that it isn't currently illegal.

Amtrak made an illegal campaign contribution to Biden in exchange for billions in cash. Then some Ukranians made illegal campaign contributions to the Bidens. All 100% illegal.

64 posted on 10/15/2019 11:20:51 AM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways to Sunday)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Actually, there are illegal acts involved. Getting the straight facts however will be impossible with China and hard digs with the Ukraine due to the level of corruption there. The oligarchs run the country, not the government ... come to think of it, here in America ...


67 posted on 10/15/2019 11:37:59 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: ClearCase_guy

>>> Were laws broken? <<<

Only if Slo Joe made specific policy / actions in exchange for the “investment” by the Chinese crooks.


68 posted on 10/15/2019 11:46:45 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

It might violate international corruption laws. Could be why Barr and Durham traveled internationally


70 posted on 10/15/2019 12:39:04 PM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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