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1 posted on 10/13/2019 11:13:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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“We are currently committed by treaty to defend TURKEY”

Biggest mistake the west ever made. Turkey is like the Trojan Horse inside “the west”.


27 posted on 10/13/2019 11:59:13 AM PDT by Wuli
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Good points, all.

I believe that The United States should be very careful about Treaties and redefine them to remove terms like "allies" for "common interest" or "mutual interest".

Further, mutual military action agreements (like NATO) should be canceled.

That Foreigners are allowed a Bully On Call privilege is extremely detrimental to the United States.

29 posted on 10/13/2019 12:01:02 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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We could tear up the treaties with Turkey and NATO and then enter into a mutual defense treaty with Kurdistan, but then what will Russia and Iran do? Oh, wait, there is no country named Kurdistan.

Who was Saladin.

31 posted on 10/13/2019 12:04:28 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Behind enemy lines)
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I greatly respect the wisdom in this Sir. The problem is stereotyping. We have either lumped all kurds into either good or bad in perspective, when the reality is there are both good and bad tribes. When we defend the good tribes we are also defending the bad tribes who would stab us in the back in a heartbeat. The bad tribes are just using us as a useful financial and logistical tool hidden among the good.


36 posted on 10/13/2019 12:06:55 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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A remnant of Cold War politics when Turkey was a western, secular nation that was a needed bulwark against easy Soviet expansionism. Didnt hurt that Russo-Turkish historical animosity put some firmness in that move to have them in NATO.


37 posted on 10/13/2019 12:07:01 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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Let Russia do its thing.


44 posted on 10/13/2019 12:26:18 PM PDT by happytrumper
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Alot of Breaking News on Twitter. Hard to tell what’s true or not.

#BREAKING: I just got confirmation that on request of #SDF, #Russia has agreed to establish No fly-zone over NE #Syria to prevent #Turkish Air Force from bombing #SDF/ #YPG/ #Rojava. #RuAF’s Su-35S fighter interceptors left #Hmeimim Air Base to confront Turkish F-16C/Ds & F-4Es!


45 posted on 10/13/2019 12:28:25 PM PDT by McGruff (No one is above the law - Nancy Pelosi)
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Erdogan has been an untrustworthy thing since the get go.
The wienies in the EU were behind hem joining NATO.

Regardless, this is a smoke of war stuff.


48 posted on 10/13/2019 12:31:07 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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There was a Kurdistan for three years though I don’t know if it was really named Kurdistan.

Treaty of Sèvres 1920 (Kurds get a country)
Treaty of Lausanne 1923 (kurds don’t get a country) renegotiation of the Treaty of Sèvres

The USA was not a signatory on either treaty.
France, Italy, UK, Greece, Turkey, Japan oddly enough and other Euro countries.

NATO countries other than the USA should be dealing with this, if anyone.

Turkey’s main problem is the PKK who are communists. Seems like we have our own communists(marxists, socialists etc) to worry about.

The prior president was a marxist and his head of CIA once voted for a communist for US president and his head of FBI “was” once a communist.

I think everyone in the Black Caucus are members of CPUSA. A lot of the dems are self proclaimed democratic socialists.

Antifa is global and there’s a global socialist/communist movement.

Two world wars, Korea, Vietnam and the cold war were all pretty much fighting socialism/communism and here we are today. Half the world is convinced that capitalism has done irreparable harm to the earth and that the only way to fix things is with ........ global socialism/communism.


51 posted on 10/13/2019 12:35:03 PM PDT by Pollard (If you don't understand what I typed, you haven't read the classics.)
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Ask the Armenians if they (Turks) are capable of genocide.


52 posted on 10/13/2019 12:44:54 PM PDT by crz
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Getting Turkey out of NATO would be good.

Getting the USA out of NATO and disbanding the whole circus would be even better.


55 posted on 10/13/2019 12:53:15 PM PDT by Reverend Wright (TAX the WOKE !)
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Just read the Kurds have signed an alliance with Syria/Russia against Turkey...Iran has been silent so far.


56 posted on 10/13/2019 12:53:46 PM PDT by rrrod
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We are fighting both friend and foe from both sides of this. But morality and prudence does not profit the MIC. They sell to all sides of all conflicts without moral discretion or guilt.


58 posted on 10/13/2019 12:56:05 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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Exactly

Monetary leverage by all of NATO is the only key. Unless they want to vote Turkey out


66 posted on 10/13/2019 2:47:30 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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Hell you should have been around in 1974 when Turkey invaded Cypress, one NATO country invading another NATO country.

This crap is nothing new for Turkey.

We did not go to war over that either.


68 posted on 10/13/2019 3:29:24 PM PDT by oldenuff35
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This is obviously the usual deep state/neocons getting hysterical over the thought that the US might in this one instance not butt in and spend vast amounts of its people’s blood and treasure fighting for.....well....nobody knows exactly.

Of course the fact that this is overwhelmingly supported by the American people is irrelevant.

For good measure the Democrats have pulled a complete 180 on this and now support perpetual war and demand our involvement since President Trump is the one to pull our troops out.


69 posted on 10/13/2019 3:38:27 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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We need to be careful in this, sir.

There’s a whole lot of manipulating going on.

Just recently, there’s been evidence made available that ABC pulled video off youtube of Knobb Creek Machine Gun shoots as evidence of Turk slaughter of Kurds, and another news agency pushing around a vid of a Kurd mother crying and hollering about her dead baby boy that she brought in to bury. Said baby boy rolling his head around to look at the girls standing in the background and blinking his eyes while his mothers holds him.

There’s a lot of lies being told by the usual suspects.

This is looking more and more like a scripted tail wag dog attempt.


71 posted on 10/14/2019 12:32:30 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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